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Discussion in 'Kingdoms General' started by Mojinax, July 29, 2015.

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  1. Majora_Unmasked

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    That was kinda out of nowhere. You come off as rather immature when you say that someone "doesn't matter" because you don't agree with what he/she is saying.

    I'll take this opportunity to add my 2 cents and hope I don't get yelled at for having an opinion that others don't really agree with. I realize this is Deity's server and it's his computer that it's running on, but it really is depressing seeing a server that was designed for upwards of 50 people, with an average of about 10 players at any given time - and then everyone seems to defend that, rather than trying to make it something that would bring more people in. It's that defensive attitude that's ensuring that the server population remains at an all-time low.
     
  2. Sephronia

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    Hi all,

    I started out intending to respond to Mojinax and then halfway through, realised I was wasting my time. You feel the way you feel, and no amount of logic, discussion, persuasion or reasoning is going to change that, least of all from me. There are certain points I will address though, feel free to ignore my input as you feel I ignore yours.
    To have someone I never met hate me and publicly announce it... next time, just spit in my face please.
    As Barry said, it's been fixed for over a month, since April 5th right HERE thanks to Btarb. The Dev Blog is there for a reason. Please take advantage of it.
    Danny is right, we do need more community input. We always need community input. We have the Suggestion Forums mainly for this, with threads such as this one HERE, where Btarb asked for player input. If you think you have a good idea, make a thread in the forum. However please be aware of the Search function in case it has been suggested before, as we have been around for about 4 years now.

    We also have this HERE in the Guide for players that want to contribute to that part of the website, as well as just making a convo with me. If you don't tell us, we won't know about it.

    I read pretty much every suggestion thread made, to see if someone's come up with a good addition/modification to the server. The whole community can suggest/point out/bring to attention pretty much whatever they want. It is read, discussed, debated and brought to Deity's attention. Then, if it has enough merit and Deity decides it, it is implemented. If it is rejected, there is usually an explanation as to why it won't/cannot happen.

    Just so everyone knows, that Mod doing the 'biting' is me. There's banter and then there's personal discussions happening in a global channel. You may find your prolonged discussions about what happened at school between 'omg that cute guy and such and such are dating' or what's happening in your Skype calls to be fascinating, but most people don't want to hear it. It's like a loud conversation on a phone in public. It's inconsiderate.

    I originally asked nicely and found that I got ignored and then it turned into a debate when I enforced the Chat Rules. Contrary to popular opinion, I do not enjoy being the 'bad guy', and I sure as heck don't enjoy being ignored when I ask people something, repeatedly.

    As per HERE, if you don't like the judgement a Mod has handed down, you can discuss it with our Head Mod, Gwenhywar, to take appropriate steps. There's a link in my signature for that and Screenshots are always appreciated.

    I keep hearing a lot about how the server is dying/dead. It's the same threads, over and over, always with the same complaints, rarely with anything to help improve besides a complete overhaul, like turning into a Mini Games server or some such other fad. The possible factors have been discussed and argued repeatedly. Listed below are some, not all, of the threads where this has been discussed.

    Opinions Please Read June 9th 2012
    Main World Reset July 19th 2012.
    Question March 10th 2013
    I'm Sick of Stuff April 21st 2013
    Repopulate ImDeity Kingdoms August 4th 2014
    Moribund August 24th 2014
    The Server is Dying October 26th 2014
    Player Based Council - Link to Deity's response.

    What would you have us do to bring the server back to this supposedly glorious age when Minecraft was new and there were 200 people online all the time and everyone held hands and we had 0 problems and everyone was happy?

    As has been said, and as will continue to be said, Deity's server, Deity's decisions. Just because Deity doesn't do everything you want him to doesn't mean he doesn't care what you think or want.

    I don't get very much from being a Mod. I obviously don't get many people's respect and I certainly don't get popularity. If you think the 'perks' of banning and muting people (with justification) are why I'm a mod, you are woefully ignorant.

    I do what I do because I love the server. If I didn't love this server, I wouldn't have donated multiple times, kept coming back, keep striving to improve the server (Yes, mostly in the background where you don't see it) and I wouldn't be here putting effort into taking your concerns seriously. Don't think we do not discuss these things with Deity, because we do, at least once a week.

    Many thanks,
    Seph
     
  3. Mojinax

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    Gonna spare myself the pleasure and re-rail this thread. Really don't think this is the place to share your feelings about being a moderator. Start a separate thread. (Sorry it sounds rude, it's not intended to be). To clarify, I think the main topic of this thread would be the situation the server is in, how it got there, and how it can be fixed.

    You're getting all these threads because it's true. The player base has been more than decimated on a yearly basis, and now it's a husk of what it was. I offered my advice on what would help. I think this server has lost a lot of population due to the fact that yes, our mini-games and events have gone. Sure, we still have war, but every kiddie with an xbox has a better version of that in the form of Call of Duty. We got rid of Hunger Games, we refuse to support any official type of mini game, and when we lost Sock we dropped the ball with events. To get all that back, yes, it would be an overhaul. The server might be too far gone to even set up effective games like that again.

    I don't support the mini game idea and I personally never cared much for events either, but I know plenty of people do. And I know plenty of people wanted more out of that - like Smash Bros. or other mini games. But really, we're one of the last surviving Towny servers. Everything else is prison break, factions, or mini games. I think there was an overreach trying to create our own PvP server instead of focusing on keeping people entertained in their free time. Although I did enjoy FTB, I think (and I would have disagreed at the time) that we should (if we could have?) put in towny or disabled PvP. That way it could replace the old server in a sense. We're all on this server to have our work safe from griefers and PvPers, stuff that isn't guaranteed on other servers that use Factions and such. So I think when we offered another distraction from the main server (FTB) and made the rules against what we're used to, we in a sense screwed ourselves a bit. I had emotion invested in FTB, but it didn't have the same feeling that main did. FTB was like setting up a smurf account in League. It's fine if you're Silver IV, your main is still Gold.

    Instead of making a vacation-like FTB server (I know it wasn't that for everyone) or a PvP server, I really do think we should have focused on branching to mini games and server-created events so people could run their towns when they needed to and chill out in their free time. Instead we told people we are not a mini game server, and that we never would be. That person has two options - conform and be bored or join another server to play their mini games. For me, I'm not the type who can juggle two different things at one time. I'll full-throttle invest in one thing and forget about the other, so for anyone else like me - consider them lost. We're a Towny server, focused on people creating towns and relationships and setting up trade. But if that's all it is, all it ever was for five years, and all it will ever be it just becomes bland. And I agree the same thing would be bland if we added in a few mini games and events, but I think it would prolong the inevitable.

    In essence I really think you guys might be too far gone, even if you're not too stubborn to change. The best advice that I know you can't go wrong with is just involving the community the way I suggested. Ask us what we want, show us what you want and what you're working on, and figure out what matters the most to the both of us in a mutual type of way.
     
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  4. QueenEmo

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    So... This thread is about how you want a server for mini games?
     
  5. Mojinax

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    I'm just expressing where I think the server went wrong and a direction they could have gone. It's apparently not my decision what happens with this server, I just want something to happen. Or at least a bit of hope that something significant other than a server reset will happen.
     
  6. Rmarmorstein

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    I had offered my services and I'm aware of a few others that have as well, this is before I left and was made an infamous player.

    I'm disappointed in this server more than anything. I don't know what ever happened. I feel like the mods push people away more than engage them and make them feel welcome here, which obviously some of us are not, including myself, because I'm discouraged again on these forums.

    It's really just a big disappointment. I see us spending money on this server as an investment, an investment in our gameplay. Under my current views, a lot of us lost a lot.
     
  7. eltono999

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    Classic.
    I was like 12.

    Guys it's a minecraft server. There's lots of them out there, this one is not yours to do whatever you want with.
    I get you really like it and stuff but like you could just play and make a nice town and get some money and have a fun time.
    Mods aren't here to please people (well I mean some of them are but they don't have to), they're here to play the game and ban people making dicks in the wilderness. If they're pushing you away they probably don't like you, probably because you keep complaining to them about a bunch of stuff they have no control over.

    Just chill out yo.
     
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    I've been reading this a lot lately and I feel like I need to lay my opinion down.

    I'd like to start by saying @Sephronia your threat is quite simply the most mature and thoughtful reply here. If everyone could be more like seph and less like a bunch of immature kids who think they know the first thing about running a global server then that'd be great. I agree with seph on the mod hate bit. Good rule enforcers aren't always nice. For example my mother is a teacher and has been for thirty odd years. She has zero trouble controlling her kids, compared to the fresh-out-of-university teachers. Sometimes being strict is the way to go. A little off topic I know but I'm trying to point out that you can't hate on seph, or any mod for that matter, because they are doing there job. I won't deny that I have been slightly annoyed/angered etc at some things seph has told me off for. But if you take the time to talk to him, you'd find as I did, that he is such a unique and wonderful person. Don't hate on mods

    Secondly, in relation to what I said before, you can't go around criticising deity and the rest of the gang for running their server the way that you don't see fit. The whole server doesn't revolve around you. I think if people realised that deity is trying to satisfy hundreds of players and he's just doing what he believes is best for the most of them. I would honestly challenge you to run an international server, get it to the top of the servers list, and keep it active for four years, whilst avoiding the whole minigames craze and cheats and OP plugins and whatnot. See how you go. I bet you wouldn't last a day. I don't know the first thing about server hosting. The best I have done is run a LAN server for my family.

    Bottom line is, if you don't like the mods, or the players, or the plugins, or anything else, then instead of coming here and complaining and being mean to everyone and talking like you're top dog, maybe you should just grow up a bit and find a new server that does suit your needs and wants, weather it's a more active player base or more plugins.


    Sincerely hoping you find some maturity somewhere in you.

    super_soup


    Side note: the use of the word you, in this post, does not refer to any single player. It refers to any people who have been posting really negative stuff that or behaving in a way described by above paragraphs.
     
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    I'm gonna agree with soup (who, granted, is my twin so a bit of bias there). It infuriates me to see people come onto the forums and whine about the server then announce "and that's why I don't play in the server any more". WHY!? I- WHAT- HOW DO YOU EVEN- I CANNOT- I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW? How do you get on and complain about a server you don't even play on anymore you're literally. LITTERALY- doing this just for the sake of complaining. I don't know. Anyway,
    I completely support all the mods, people like @Sephronia, who are volunteering real life time to run a community in an imaginary game land made of blocks Because they obviously love doing it. You can't hate these people. That's just stupid.
    Another point I feel like making is that people are always whinging about how the player base is really small. I completely disagree with you (and this is just my opinion), I love the small player base, I've become super friends with a lot of the residents of caldera and a lot of other people as well. Like, if I ever go to the Americaland, these are people I wanna meet! They are the thing that gets me on this server. So yeah, please stop complaining about it.
    Really what I'm trying to say here is that, this server is SO my cup of tea and, if it isn't yours, then for your own good I emplore you to find one that is.

    -Calimiro

    P.s @squeezal @SimonFCDallas @RickyBobby and @artsgal , thanks for being awesome in town when I first got here years ago! probably will never forget the amazing adventures :D

    P.P.s yes I know my post is mostly just my opinions but still.

    P.p.p.s mods I apologise if I used caps too much. But like I said, I just cannot even.:p
     
  10. Mojinax

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    Deity may be doing what he thinks is right, and I understand he may be pulling ideas from the general public in forum threads, but most of that goes unnoticed. This is why I ask, and I will modify my idea a bit, for Deity to show even a bit of his agenda on a monthly, or hell, even a biannual basis. It's just a simple thing to make a thread in 10 minutes detailing your plans for the next half a year if it means keeping even a handful of your players happy. We simply want to have an influence, or even just a say, on what happens to the server we play on. Every single MMORPG in the world does this, and yes, even your server falls under what a MMORPG is. And if your excuse for not taking 10 minutes out of your day to involve your community who donate to your server and who give it the appearance of being alive is that you're not a big game company, then I am worried. You've either got no plans, or you really are the most stubborn person in the world. At least admitting one is admirable.

    And for you, Deity, if you could share any information on why the server is dying outside of the natural death of minecraft, I would really appreciate a straight up answer. Seph has heard that the server is dying 1000 times, and I've heard in return that the reason is because minecraft is dying 1000 times. Yet I've heard nothing from the one person that matters. Every time I ask a mod why this or that cannot be, they tell me they have no influence at your table, Deity. And yet they come and respond on your behalf every single time. Take my advice, tell me I'm an idiot, give me a reason - I don't care which you choose, I just want your words.

    And for the record, I really hate having to call you out to get something from you.

    Thanks.
     
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    I love this idea!!!
    I love to build and FTB has many more building blocks. I think we are a server of builders mostly.
     
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    Hi! Just going to rekindle the fire that started
    Just putting my few opinions here. I don't play the server anymore, but I do check the site and the server from time to time because this is my very first server I played, after all.
    People make these threads because they actually care for the server, why would Mojinax be making threads such as this just to rant and complain? We're looking to actually improve the server. But look at me some random from years ago who doesn't play anymore voicing out an opinion.
    True, I am not the one to talk here since I don't play anymore in this server but I still like the server, and this is the server I still look back from the hundreds of servers I played on.

    I feel like that most of you just don't want to admit it. Some of the people here are pretty biased against threads like this.
    You guys keep denying what has been said in these threads yet people are still complaining. You guys say if we don't like the server, just leave.

    You say you want to be like seph who has the most thoughtful and mature reply here yet you call the others here immature kids.
    I don't even hate the mods, I'm fine on how they enforce the server rules. I sometimes get irritated by them, that's all. The mod who I probably wouldn't like is versh. I just can't have fun when he's around but I don't bear any grudges.
    Next, I can criticize the server all I want provided it is constructive and mature. There's no harm in doing that, you're a player in his server and you can tell him what's going wrong.
    One thing that Deity doesn't have and we do is we're actually playing in his server and we know from our experience how the server is. From there, Deity can have feedback on how his server is, whether it's good or bad.


    off-topic: can't believe its been 4 years
     
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    I don't play here anymore, so you can take my feedback, or you can ignore it, snicker and make fun of it, doesn't matter. I don't play of course, but it's hard to walk away from a place where you made friends and had good times, so here we go:

    I believe more than anything else, Deity either needs to get more involved in the server AND the attached forum, or he needs a dedicated programmer to help maintain the server and active on the forum. I don't know how active Btarb is, I left not long after he came back and helped fix some of the problems that were plaguing the server, such as the horse market. +1 to minibirde for her horse-taming skills and dedication in the time it was down.

    I recently found a Tekkit server that has a history almost as rich as Deity's, is run similar to Deity's, but has some noticeable differences:
    1. More content (granted, it's Tekkit, of course it's going to have more content), such as a premium mining world for premium members that resets daily, a /market that anyone can post items in, an accessible nether AND the End.
    2. A friendlier, more active staff, something I felt was lacking with the staff here. Too much sarcasm and veiled hostility, as well as staff members that almost never did anything more than do the occasional log-in just to make it seem they were active. If you don't have time, step down, let someone else step up, there's plenty of applications by people I'm sure most people here know could fill the shoes easily and readily.

    Hell, the server is nearly as old as Deity's, and the owners are STILL active on the forums, as are at least 80% of the staff under them. Three of the mods in the modpack were crafted by the server owner, and they're currently working on a successor to the modpack they're currently using for the server, which is quite large and active. Don't tell me you can't disable pvp in FtB/Tekkit etc. These guys have done it. It's doable.

    In short Deity's got his own life, his own plans/projects for the server. That's fine, he's only human, but for chrissakes, get the help you need with the server. The server does need some help, don't ignore what's already known.

    I miss it here, I won't lie, I miss people and good times here. I don't miss the drama, the cliques, and the steadily degrading state of things. The reset brought some new life, but it didn't last. I'm glad I left tbh, I feel happier, I've been able to get out more, even pick up a guitar and learn a few things. I'll be even more happy when I don't have to look back i.e type in www.imdeity.com

    Still working on that.

    Cheers

    PS: I half expect that Goober to reply to this.
     
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    You want the server to be better, but are too lazy to learn coding and offer your help to the server. So you do the only thing that you think will help and that is complaining and DEMANDING accountability from the staff, as if that is going to help. Do you really think that lists and posts of the stuff that is being coded on are going to help the server, or making the administration accountable to someone is going to help in any way. There simply are no programmers to fix those issues, because for there to be some you'd have to have people who are interested in making the server/game better and there are no such people because the server has lived for a long long time and has gotten boring. The server is boring, and the game is boring, there is nothing you can do to change that it just is. Just as every game and every server eventually dies that time for Deitys death has come. Enjoy it while you still can and leave.
     
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    Yeah all i got from this thread is how cool towny would be on FTB xD better go check the suggestion threads xD
     
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    Ok just gonna lay this out there for those who are venting, you do realize that the staff have lives to ya know... In my experience this server is pretty nice in comparison to ones ive been on. We also do have options on this server like ftb, creative, pvp, and towny....yes atm I am inactive but its due to no internet...when I do get it back I'll be back [Arnie quote :p]
    But I will say though its a game....not virtual reality...its for fun not a substitute for life.

    I rest my case,
    Have a Sappy day ;)
    And if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all
    Keep it Sappy you guys :D
     
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    I don't really think that's fair to say. Would you expect everyone who suggests something to code it themselves?
    I'm not necessarily agreeing with the original post but just because they aren't willing to dedicate that much time to learn a coding language doesn't mean their opinion doesn't deserve to be considered.
     
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    I am not saying that everyone who makes a suggestion has to code it himself. I am simply saying that there are no coders who are able to make even minor fixes to the stuff already here and that if he is really that passionate about the server then he could do something to help it along rather then simply complaining about everything and pointing out the obvious fact that the server needs fixing. This is not a real suggestion, this is yet another post informing us that the server is not working as it should, there are probably around 100 such posts, posted by almost every long time player on the server. I don't know what the solution is, I just now that this kind of complaining won't fix it at all.
     
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    Its sad to see this convo everyday. Its not helping the server and is just hurting the people that run it!!!! Why is that good???? If you love this server put your time into it to make it a better place. The people who are on the server the most are funny and helpful really. Can this convo be closed pls.
     
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    I'm going to let this stay open for one more day, for anyone else to add anything worth reading.

    Many thanks,
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