The Nether, Restrictions, and the Deciding Factors.

Do not say this topic has been discussed already. It matters not. If the answers have to be regurgitated again, then I think it's worth it to the community that they are.

Sooooo; I've been on this server for a while and have yet to see the nether in the main world, have seen this server raise its restrictions from just "No Nether" to "No this, this and this. Also 50 more things you cannot do/have", and I've been through the server's Golden Days, to the server's (now) Less-Than Golden Days.

When I played back in the days, when only the nether was restricted, we all understood why there was no nether. It was for the same reason there were no animals or looping redstone machines (that Deity knew of, hehehe), lag. We accepted that the server could not handle the Nether, as it could not even handle normally spawned animals on the server. Or so I was told lag was the reason, could be underlying reasoning.

The lag started the restrictions. From the Nether and looking down upon looping redstone, we decided to tax redstone, water, not allow placement of lava, use of flint and tinder, etc. Once again, lag could be a reason for all of these. If you played 2-3 years ago. Our server can handle much more than it once could, and I don't think allowing Prometheus to bring us back our fire would hurt too much. Our lava too. Not only were these items taken from us for lag-reducing purposes, but also to stop griefing. Solution; Stop lava flow, stop fire spread. If there is abuse, handle this as we handle ANY OTHER griefing situation.

These restrictions make multiple X's on the list of what I call the Deciding Factors, mainly for new players. No Nether? Every other server has Nether. Why should I play here? Now I can't place lava or fire? Really? At least they have MCMMO. Oh good, Acrobatics is the only skill that actually works. Sticky Pistons? Nope. Etc. The list goes on. Lag isn't much of an issue anymore, most lag is caused via DDOS or poor graphic's cards. So what's our excuse? It's been this way for a while, it will stay this way.

Tradition. I vote we open Pandora's Box and let our players have the basics. This would increase the amount of players, and make for an overall better server. I take from Taoism what I believe to be true in this situation. Let nature be. It makes for a better life. Stop restricting so much, and allow us some freedoms.

P.S. I would also like oceans, more snow, and caves for the roleplaying part of the game. Let the world generate naturally, not what you think would make for maximum town-making space.

You're too cautious, Deity. I stay on this server because of my connections, not because of its content. I've merely just learned to play without potions, nether, natural landscapes, and the likes. Take a page from the Tao Te Ching and let the server be as Minecraft was meant to be. Everything from the first patch to the last patch. I ask for the basics. That's a weird sentence to say.

OTHER SERVERS DO IT. There isn't an excuse.

P.S.S. I suggest you add this stuff in, and then worry about what needs fixing afterwards.

 

Upon talking with Barry, I feel some things were not made clear. I do not want complete Vanilla minecraft. I just want restrictions to be made in the best interest of the people without restricting their abilities. Restricting creepers from destroying your house, for example, does not fall under this category. Nobody wants that. Except for Takhz. If some things really can't squeeze by for whatever reason, then so be it. But I do not understand, then, what makes our server special from the other servers that can do these things, many lag-free.

 

We should have a nether that resets monthly, so that we can raid it more often!

 

Quartz, nether-rack, and nether-brick are all excellent building blocks. Quartz in particular is an excellent block that I believe should be more bountiful.

It should be clear that people need to acknowledge the threats and dangers of the nether. It isn't meant to be a friendly place, so people should anticipate for possible troubles. Whether it be their portal being destroyed or getting stuck in a redstone player trap, they should enter the nether accepting the possible consequences.

Also, what if we had a central portal in the nether that teleported you back to the mining world spawn? You could type "/spawn" in the nether to get there. This way if a player does create his own portal from his mining base far out in the world he isn't in any danger of being permanently trapped in the nether. There wouldn't be a portal to the nether at mining world spawn, only the portal in the nether that teleported you back.

I understand you were just the messenger of sorts.

 

Honestly, I think that it would be cool if the nether was only accessible from the mining world; no portal-griefing worries like Saint said in the quote Tiitan just used, and the materials would be possible to get, with resets as frequent as the mining world resets. Also, when people remember the nether, everyone forgets about the economy-breaking part of it: GLOWSTONE!

 

Just like point out, there is a separate nether world file like there is for main world, the end, etc. So Imdeity could just easily delete the nether world file and I believe it would generate a new nether world file when someone goes into the nether again.

 

Very well said, I appreciate many of your posts and I was hoping someone would bring these points to light. While talking with Barry, and later with Brytton about the post, we came up with some solutions to some problems. The main thing being that Level Two Craftsman should be the only ones allowed to place fire and lava. At this point, although people will stray, the people who are Level Two Craftsman are "trustworthy" in a sense. They have been on this server for at least two weeks, made 20 intelligible posts, and raised enough dei to get the gist of things. As for the people who want to use lava and fire for traps, they should be required to have warning signs around the trap, and if they don't, we bring back jail . Jailed for murder. That would be funny in chat.

Referring to your first paragraph, I said I want nether. Who said I wanted nether on the main world, though? I believe that we're smart enough to make another server for the nether. We did it for mine world, after all.

Referring to the caves, snow, and oceans, I think it's a no-brainer. You don't tamper with the way the land generates. Try out a bunch of seeds for randomly made worlds, pick one, and use it.

ImDeity has the good and the bad. Classes, for example, are a good. They make our server unique not like many others. Not allowing the nether, however, is a bad thing. Everything will come with its problems when (and if) they are implemented. I feel there is too much worry, and therefore the things are not implemented. Implement, observe, fix. Decide whether or not the implementation was a good one or not, find out if you can make it a good one if there are flaws, and if not, take it away again.

Also, Thunder, I personally do not want the nether for its aesthetics. It looks like crap. I want it for glowstone, alchemy, and quartz. That's it.

 

The nether would add additional incentives to playing Minecraft on deity. It would be worth investing in the Nether. Whatever it takes. The galore might only last a little while (like /mine or /war) but nonetheless its a stable addition that wouldn't require much updating once its been configured. (well that's speculative) But, I have yet to explore that place so. . . I know I could spend a few more hours on Deity if it was enabled I bet others might enjoy it as well. If only for a few hours for each person that's a little more time people spend. Which is always a benefit to the server.

 

So, what is your personal opinion Sweetmaple about the topic? Do you approve of adding in the nether or is it your opinion that it is unnecessary? (reasons would be nice ) We want to get a good discussion going.

I appreciate the response and it surely answers his questions (although I think he was hoping for something other than Deity doesn't like it) thanks. Maybe we can continue this discussion knowing deities wishes and possibly speculate on reasons why he should like it. Quite possibly if we hear more about what he doesn't like about it we can make responses tailored to meeting his concerns. As is, many of us just want to help the server, given that many of us will never become staff this is our way to "give back" to the server. Our opinions are meant to make this server greater. We by no means want to hinder the server.

Let it be well known none of us are concerned with belittling or berating the staff or imdeity. We do greatly appreciate this server and even if this discussion does nothing we will still be here by your side through the thick and the thin to help in anyway we can.

 

Okay, understood. Is it possible we could add in Magma creme in the deity shop? This would give potion makers an extra potion to craft and fire resistance could be useful in the mining world. I think that is the only additional perk of the nether that we currently don't have in deities shop. With that said, could the deity shop offer potions that we could otherwise not make (but those that do not hurt/affect other players) without a spider eye? I would like to see the /go shop teleport removed and have multiple deity shops in the main spawn, heck, I think all (non-restricted) items should be available at the themed areas in the spawn (at a much higher price than the /mall of course.

Such as potions and enchanting books/items @ the wizard university. Fish, Fishing rods, wood etc... at the harbor area. Iron bars, etc.. at the jail. Nether stuff at the underground guild no one can find ;P. You know it gives people a little more chance to adventure the map and continue to adventure the town, it is quite large. Maybe have signs that say you could get these items cheaper at /mall at those locations so people test that first. Then if the /mall doesn't offer it people could obtain it with their dei (which deity loves when the dei is removed from the server).

Meh, I suppose this could be a different suggestion yet somewhat related.

 

This whole thread means little too me as I don't really play here anymore. That being said, I did want to voice an opinion.

Very well put smc, though I do wonder at some of it. You stated you can think of no valid reason to add the nether, though I can come up with one specific reason. A person may wish to build a city in the nether. I personally made a build out of mainly nether brick which would have looked much better sitting inside the nether itself.

I do agree people would get bored with it, it falls under the whole "fad" stuff that I have often complained about in the past. Granted, there are other ways to get the items that the nether provides; deity shop or /mine, yet it should be considered that sometimes, players really don't want to be forced to buy something from an admin shop. There is another way to sort of add the nether without actually adding it. Granted this would require a little more then a simple map reset on the mine world, as it would require an admin to change a biome. In the generation you already generate netherack. You could in theory go to one of those netherack areas and change the biome to Hell (I believe that is the correct biome name for the nether) and add in a lava lake (which would then spawn Ghasts if large enough) and the biome itself would spawn the pigmen and other nether mobs (aside from whither skeletons as they require soulsand and blazes need a spawner or fortress I believe). You could also add glowstone into the random generation thus removing the need for it in the admin shop as well.

Just my 2 cents....

 

I think the nether looks boss, but i do agree. Its only needed for the glow, the alchemy, and the quartz, and not to mention the raids on the twisting fortresses of the nether, and other generated buildings. And i also agree only lvl 2 craftsman should be allowed to place fire/lava for die, with a large fine and revocation of their class if they misuse it. they then should be banned from getting craftsman levels ever again. Jail would be interesting. Nether should also be put on the mine world, not the main world. Definitely don't tamper with the way mother nature makes her land. And always observe problems and implement solutions.

 

Right now quartz are one of the most valuable blocks, if not the most valuable. Diamonds on the other hand can be bought for prices like 15 dei a piece, or less. Quartz is an amazing building block that is currently more of a currency, while diamonds are an amazing currency that is currently more of a... fancy block?

I think that these blocks should do a role switch of sorts. To do this we would need to make quartz more common and diamonds more valuable. Increasing the frequency of quartz is very easy, just make the ores more common in the mining world. Increasing the value of diamonds is a little more complicated. The reason diamonds are so cheap is because that the current economy is inundated with diamonds. The reason that diamonds are so abundant is that there isn't much of a use for them. Why isn't there a use for them? Donator kits have basically eliminated the need of diamonds for making diamond tools(IMO diamond tools should be one of the most traded items). I think that the donator kits should be removed to get the economy back on track. Because the economy is already so flooded with diamonds/diamond tools it may take awhile for the economy to remedy itself, but that is not a sufficient reason to let the economy suffer.

You may argue that the economy isn't suffering today and that our current valuable blocks are sufficient, but here is why that is incorrect. Minecraft was practically designed to have diamonds as the base of an economy. They are a rare material just like our valuable blocks, but the key is that they are used to help you advance in the game via letting you obtain the materials you want and helping you survive. The current valuables like quartz(And others) are sought after because they are rare and desirable building blocks. Our current system is just taking things a little too forward. Diamonds should drive the economy because you need them to obtain the other things you want(Such as quartz).