No Gold? I don't get it.

The new plugin to ban gold, in my opinion, is a bit overkill. I understand the Ban for people who want to sell gold to get a higher profit off of it. But I do not believe that we should all be cut back. I for one spent a lot of time mining Gold to use, not to sell, but as a building material. And i think it is unfair to say that we cannot have Gold as a building block. Some people can say that you can always use yellow wool but, lets be honest, its not the same. It would dull down the building/structure that you are building. So removing Gold would be dulling some building creativity. And this server is practically built on, and known for, its creativity.

Its something that cannot be fixed or compromised with. If you have items such as clocks, rails and other gold-dependent items sold at the player shop, then you cant sell Gold blocks as well for block material. Because who is to say that that wont be sold illegally.

People who sell (or i guess used to sell) gold, made money off of new players who dont know the server price of gold. And people who sold Gold at the same price as the server was not making money, and not wasting the material. I think to fix this, we should have part of the "Starter Quest" tell the price of Gold. Or even the Automated message that says "You can sell gold" to tell the price of Gold on that message. People would see that and not buy gold for any higher price. Dramatically decreasing, or even eliminating the illegal Gold selling.

 

It is not in any way cutting back. It just transfers the dei to a vault, converting it into a non-physical item. A non-physical item cannot be dropped, and therefore, not sold. All the money is still the same, it just keeps players from secretly breaking the rules. Also, van specifically said that crafting items involving gold will be available in the shop soon afterwards. At least, that's what I got out of it.

 

Yes but im talking about using Gold blocks. which is impossible currently.

 

I am not aware of anyone selling gold to new players for a higher price... Even if it happened, a new player would only be able to afford 8 or so ingots after they have voted. The reason it has been turned physical is so that it cannot be duplicated which is why a lot of players are being banned at the moment.

With regards to your building worries, Van said there would due a shop where you can buy golden objects although blocks will most likely not be sold.

Maybe a perk for higher level craftsmen is that they can withdraw a small amount of blocks and place them in their builds.

 

I dont like this idea because currently craftsmen are OP at the moment.

I dont want people to think im raging. Im not. But this plugin wont fix people storing items to avoid the taxes. People can do that with gold or even Obsidian. Its not removing the problem, just changing it to something else.

 

Classes are being re developed at the moment... They won't be 'OP' much longer

That is true, but gold is currency here, it has a set price. It would be like storing diamonds... The price fluctuates by 5 dei, you're not really keeping money and avoiding taxes as the price you sell at is uncertain. The economy is based on gold.

 

Gold is sort of a currency. The economy doesn't depend on it. You can sell other items and even work for people for money. Gold before the reset was at 40 Dei an ingot, now its 25. As much as i remember Diamond has always been 20-25. But like basic economy, you need to know when to buy and when to sell.

 

The economy did depend on it... It was a material that could be sold without player interaction for a set price. Therefore if it was duplicated, it would bring in a lot more dei to the server. I'm not saying that duplication iron isn't as bad, but if thousands of iron ingots are duplicated, it lowers the price of iron across the board, therefore not harming the economy as much as gold. As well as that, seeing as iron can only be sold to other players the money is already in the economy. I hope you can see now how gold plays an important factor in the economy?

 

I dont see how you can duplicate gold on a server. Unless its using hacks. Which would be a problem with hacks and not Gold. But interaction with other players is the whole point of SMP. otherwise why not play on SSP?

Oh by the way, i dont want to know how to duplicate. I dont cheat.

 

It's less about the duping (although that is a problem), and more about the people with insane amounts of money. People have been hoarding gold since the reset. They have stacks upon stacks of gold blocks. This is either their "backup plan" incase of money issues, or in most cases people hoarding their money in gold for tax evasion. There are a few advantages and disadvsantages i can see with this. And a few questions. I suggest someone makes a FAQ thread, and everything can be answered there. I'd do it myself, but all i know about it so far is everything that can be found here and on the main post.

 

You don't mention the fact nor say how to fix the problem that over a dozen people have been banned for exploiting a duplication glitch and flooded the server with gold. You don't mention solutions to keep people from being banned when they move large quantities of gold around. You don't mention any solution to prevent people selling gold to other players.

What you do mention is to place the server price of gold in the starter quest area which servers no purpose since players should only be able to sell it to Pennybags at that price and in no way curtails the illegal trading of gold.

On a side not I find it hilarious that there is a suggestion to put one more thing up to read when almost all new players to the server ignore the signs and most of the messages when they spawn in.

Anyway, all I got from your post is you either didn't fully read nor understand what Van said. With the amount of threads and posts about all these issues over the past two months I don't see how you have no clue all this was coming to a head.

 

Ok obsidian wasnt a good example but diamonds have been consistent. And there might be people doing backup plans because last time they got 98% of their money wiped during the reset. Is it right? No. but if Gold isnt allowed the there will be people who set a price then start using diamonds as a store up instead. And you cant disable diamonds. Even if diamonds stay at 20-25. You would be, potentially, losing 320 dei (accounting its a stack of diamonds.) instead of the $??? they could be "losing" with taxes.

 

Gold is a fixed price. The price of diamonds is based on how many are in circulation. The more people store up diamonds, the less they will be worth. Gold will always be 25 dei, that's the difference

 

Diamonds or any other block may be a constant price, however that money that is gained from the item is merely a trade. You trade some die of yours to player 2 who has the diamonds for you, or vice versa. When you sell gold it is injecting money into the account as opposed to transferring worth. That is the difference that the other are tying to relay. If you store up your diamonds and horde them in your house, thats fine because you wouldn't be adding new money into the economy and the price would fluctuate based on the quantity of diamonds floating around. Gold doesn't work this way.


Also jacob, most people we have dealt with have been storing their items in gold blocks, as opposed to ore for space sake. Not only that, but we are also converting your gold ore directly its gold ingot and then taking that and putting it into your vault.

Im sorry that you wish to build with gold but at this point in time you will not be able to use the block of gold to build any constructions other then in the creative world

We are here to provide service for the 95% of users. We would rather get stable things out that work for the large populous then a single product with a bunch of unneeded features that 5% of the people would/know how to use. Im sorry that you fall within the 5% of this category, but you cannot please everyone

 

There are logs. If one person put 20 stacks of Gold blocks in a chest and the log shows someone else took it all, then it can be considered stealing or selling.

In my opinion, its not to stop it, as much as it is to stop making a profit off of selling gold. Then those who wish to abuse it, will lose the interest or the ability to.

The "Starter Quest" most people do ignore or soon forget. But the automated messages that come every 15-20 min will, even if disliked, let people know what the price of gold is so that the people (mentioned above) who sell it at a higher price then the server will be "exposed" so to say because of the constant reminder of what the price is.

How to fix a bug in minecraft? Im pretty sure theres this guy, you might have heard of him, Jeb who does that. Not me. But this does raise a question, wouldnt there be logs of who put gold in chests and what not. So it should be seen that they are taking out more than putting in?

But if i buy Gold from "RandomPlayerName" for 25 dei isnt that keeping the money within the economy? He isnt "gaining" any more money from it if he had sold to the server. And the materials are still in use. But i do see that issue with the duplication. I hope this is a Temp fix though.

 

I didnt know there was a limit of 50 a day. But couldnt there be a system like with the cakes? The more you sell in a day the less its worth untill the "wait time" is up? Didnt people do the same thing with cakes? Store them up then sell them?