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How Favoritism, Passive-Aggresiveness, and Unfairness/Bias is affecting this server

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  1. melvin484

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    Hey guys! I was told by Sephronia to make this thread after I got into a debate with him. In this I'll be telling the 100% truth, including the stuff I said.


    Favoritism
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    My first topic is going to be Favoritism. Everyone, ESPECIALLY the mods, are in tight little groups now. They are willing to cover eachothers back, even if they are wrong. I mean seriously, I was told that I come in and spam for attention (and as i said I am speaking the truth, SO I do indeed like watching the sheep become angry, but thats not really the point) and yet Qazz says "Potaton" randomly, and really this isn't even a big of a deal but you know what Seph says to me? "She said it an hour ago". Another example of how they are willing to cover their friends backs, and how seph says things that are completely irrelevant to our conversation. Their is so many other examples of this, they probably even arent that hard to find.

    Passive-Agressive
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    This is kinda a big one. Have any of you noticed that the mods, especially versh, are just sometimes really rude? I remember one time where this person said "Vershye is rude" and you know what he said? "Calling someone rude is rude." How absolutely childish. What really gets me is the passive aggresiveness and that little "heh". Like somehow they are better than you, you're just a little sheep not apart of their group you better not disagree with em buddy ohohohoho ill threaten to ban you! Sometimes the staff just act so annoyed and humbuggy all the time. Seriously, "boohoo, a new player asked me a question, guy probably doesnt even know where the Wiki is, but look at the wiki anyways. I'm so angry all the time because even though I get to talk to my friends all the time, aw mannn this new guy needs help, time be to unnecessarily rude!". They dont even want people to talk anymore, and when they do, the first person to talk and say 4 sentences after hours of silence with the whole 5 active players, its considered spamming. When I talked to versh about me being muted (which once again, my fault, but not the point) he didnt even respond. I looked at TsViewer and trust me, he was talking with all of his other moderator buddies in his tight little group. I was forced to talk to Seph about it, because he thought I was a waste of time. I really want to see him respond to this. Oh and I just saw this: "Have a time-out since you think you're above doing what your told.", as vershye so elegantly said before disciplining Mojinax. He acts so conceited, acts like he is so much important then everyone else, especially people who disagree with him.

    Unfairness/Getting Shut Down
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    Mojinax. I have remember many times where he has made threads and said things in chat (earlier he needed a question to be answered, and then he was threatened to be banned. I don't know the full story, as Seph said, and I asked him about it. I guess its not of my business, which is odd considering its not a serious issue and they act like this is the CIA with top secret files and stuff.) and was muted or something, I was in webchat so I couldn't see. He didn't even break any rules as far as I know, if he really had a question that needed answered then it is, believe it or not, the moderators job to do so.

    What I Have Done
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    Seph told me to "make sure I included the staff bashing, :D" so I will include the stuff I have said. I did indeed call the staff (Mainly vershye, for obvious reasons) some words. Like power hungry brat, and I have indeed said "you guys just love the power and anyone who disagrees with you is hitler in your eyes". Am I aware that I most likely am going to get banned for this? Yes. I don't mind at this point. I just want people to know the truth.


    Extra
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    This thread was made on the spot. I obviously didnt take weeks to make it. You should be able to catch my point if you read it all the way through. I also have a good feeling Seph told me to make this thread so that he can lock it and you can tell me to go talk to Gwen or something (whom is inactive and also a mod, therefore bias). Wanted to see ya'lls take on this. Have a nice day.
     
  2. Kitani

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    Vershye wasn't ignoring you. He was (still is, as of my typing this) in a game with me. Yes, he is talking to his friends. No, he can't see the TS window. Your entire point (or points, I guess) is derailed by the simple fact that you're basing it on assumptions, which in turn are influenced by your unfair bias against the people you're complaining about. You're whining like a child.

    Oh, and no... I'm not a mod. I'll probably get in trouble for this. Oh well. Worth! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    Since I see my name mentioned here, I'll add that what I said was actually what Badseed's tag is, and is an old running joke between him, myself, and a few others. It wasn't necessarily a random comment.

    I can tell that you're implying that I am in some way favored by the moderators, and I'd like to politely inform you that that is not the case. I have been friends with Vershye, SweetMaple, FaTd33r, and SaintThunder for 4 years. The only one of them that was a mod at the time was Vershye. I have now been friends with Sephronia for almost 2 years. If you're implying that they have some sort of favoritism over me due to this, you are further from the truth than you'd imagine. Being here for almost 5 years as I have, I am well acquainted with the rules and I know this server like the back of my hand. I keep myself in check and my close friends on this server who you're accusing of favoring me are always the first to call me out when I'm out of line. I don't receive a lot of negative consequences because I do not act in a way that warrants me to get them.

    You're making this thread from a very specific point of view. The moderators act in the way they do to keep the server in line, and functioning well. The way they handle things may not always make a ton of sense to all of us, but that's because we don't always know the full story behind everything and we don't always know the "behind-the-scenes". These are people that have helped kept the server a good place for the whole family, and they act in the ways they do to keep it that way. The staff aren't power hungry, they're doing their duties. Deity put them in their positions for a reason and if he wanted the players input on who should be staff, he would have consulted them a couple years ago when the last round of mods was promoted.

    The way I see it, only a staff member has the authority to question the actions of another staff member. Also, considering your inactivity, your viewpoint on a lot of this is quite limited.
     
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    I respect your opinion, but disagree with it. I can sorta believe you on the favoritism bit, but the whole "staffs gotta do what they must do" is ridiculous. What do they do now? Stay on TS, make sure no one spams in chat or something, and thats it. Deity put them in power (atleast most of the new ones, probs even the old) because they were friends and reccomendations. Also, my inactivity has nothing to do with it. I come onto the forum and webchat everday, believe it or not. Heres another fact, everyone responding to this are all friends with one another. I wanna see someone who has had bad experiences with mods/admins.

    EDIT: Oh, and you said that only a staff member can question the actions of a staff member? If that's how everything went, this server would have died awhile ago.
     
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    Nope! You're just making this [Edited]GARBAGE[/Edited] up as you go, now. If this was true, I'd have been a mod YEARS ago.

    If you make no meaningful contribution to the server itself, then your opinion about how the mods are doing their jobs is completely worthless. They are only effecting you in one way: Preventing you from infecting someone else with this slander and biased conspiracy theorycrafting.

    If you had a legitimate complaint with irrefutable proof behind it, Vershye wouldn't be a mod anymore. The simple fact is that you've got a grudge and don't like him. Get over it. He's a trusted member of the community who earned his position a LONG time ago. Long before you'd even heard about this community.

    This entire conversation is pointless and stupid. :/

    (Double Posted something, whoops! Merged!)

    By the way...

    ... Your entire point has now become an invalid pile of wasted trolling. Stop poking the sheep and the mods will stop getting upset at you for making them angry.
     
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  6. FaTd33r

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    Well, I read that whole post, and I'm honestly not sure about many points in there. I'll do my best to answer it as I see this. Sadly, I might not sound as happy as usual, because I'm annoyed about how the subject is phrased in here.

    [​IMG]
    Isn't that what friends usually do in both real life and on the Internet? I mean, if I enjoy talking/playing with people, I'm probably going to stay with them and develop what I usually call a friendship.At that point, I could care less about what they're doing in life; if I enjoy what they are as a person, I'll stick around. Guess why I stick around?



    What I see here, is a really big box of hate towards Vershye, not the other mods. He may seem rude, but guess what, people still end up following the rules when he tells them to, whether they like it or not. I'll stop here about him, if anything needs to be done, bring it up with him.

    I don't really know where you get the fact that we're always rude with new players. Yes, we do refer them to the wiki, because we have a wiki to help both the new players and us when it comes for finding information. If you ever do a research about a subject, I don't think you're gonna run around asking to anyone who you see "Hey, do you know what that is?"; you'll get on your web browser and try to find the information with a search engine, or you'll go to a library where someone will tell you where to look. We're pretty much doing the librarian here. I mean, it's something that can be learned any time, and will be useful for pretty much everything.

    Yeah that's right, everyone should be muted and banned from the server! Nobody can talk! We are masters, we are mods!
    Nah, the fact that nobody talks, is that they're either in whatever voice chat they use, using local chat/PM's, or simply because nobody is logged in. Something is considered spamming when it's posted in a really short amount of time, such as
    "Player: Looking for bla bla
    Player: lol
    Player: wow ok
    Player: Much obliged"
    Short 'sentences', if it can be considered one, less than a second or two apart. In my book, that's spam. Writing down complete sentences that might requires two lines or more isn't.


    Please refer to the section where I talk about friends.
    When your whole conversation with Sephronia happened, we were playing another game that was unrelated to Minecraft. We're in the same Teamspeak room, because we talk with eachother, and we're still reachable if anything happens. The way you talk about us makes me feel like we can't even enjoy some good time together, and I'm kind of sad about that, and I don't like being sad.


    The only thing I have to ask about this, is why are you even bringing this conversation that happened between Sephronia and Mojinax? You say it yourself that you weren't there and couldn't see what was going on. It's a slippery slope to begin with, and by saying that, you've just slipped far down, from what I see.


    For the staff bashing, I'll just say that you said much more than that, and I'm okay with you not bringing it up completely, and honestly, you're lucky that Seph did not just instant-ban you from TS.
    As for being the "We love the power and we hate everyone" is quite a big insult there for me, since yeah, if you haven't seen it yet, I do take this post personally. At that point, I can be a harsh dictator and disagree with anyone, be mean with everyone, and create a power regime where no one has rights, if that's what you're looking for.
    What I see here is some kind of 'Illuminati confirmed' or something about how moderator stuff works, and I don't really like it, honestly.
    People that have been around long enough to know the whole staff team as players/humans, and not police enforcers, knows that we do that for ensuring a nice stay on ImDeity Kingdoms, even if sometimes, we do need to be harsh with people for them to understand; but for some others, even that stage doesn't make them understand.

    You want to know the truth? Make sure you're well informed first about what's going on,and check your facts, because right now, I just see steam being blown off on specific people.
    On that note, I'm going to bed, I'll come back and check if anything needs to be answered about my post.

    -Deer
     
  7. heinz_gruber

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    I feel I speak for many of my friends who have abandoned the server.

    Lots of us didn't leave because of minecraft or deity. Many left or became inactive because they have had clashes with the staff.

    I left because I couldn't play the game anymore without harassment over something petty and inconsequential.
    But yet the staff keep on marching to the same beat.

    And despite Gwen being a great person and was always fair when dealing with my complaints, she has not been here in a very long time.

    Some staff will never learn. Instead of just taking criticism on board and making improvements they fight back, which just seems petty, and makes you look like exactly how a chunk of the community have perceived you to be whether true or not.

    If the staff want to reply to me, plz don't bother. But the next time I am told my opinion doesn't count because I am inactive is the last day I ever come here.

    This does not apply to all staff, I haven't had any problems with Deer or Arwenden, and surprisingly enough contrary to what a lot of others day, Versh has been good to me. But it seems no one on this server can take criticism anymore, who are the adults here ? the staff or the community?

    Have a good day, and I hope we can all reel it in a bit. Peace

    Just to edit something in response to Deers post, I agree with a lot of your post, but some of us have been stuck on the fence for a long time.

    I used to get invited to play with some of the staff and the "group" of friends, but when invites stop coming you start to think " is it me?"
    Probably yes..... And sometimes due to schedules and time zones... But you can be friends with some staff members and not the rest, but all it takes is 1 staff member to clash with someone and that person becomes baggage to be lost.

    And you will always be unwelcome or unwanted by that person and then their friends back them up only serving the purpose of further isolating long time members, who in many cases have contributed far more financially than some others and deserve to be heard out impartially and not ganged up on.

    Backing up your friends is one thing and I respect loyalty, but where is the loyalty to the players?

    At what point does it go from backing a friend to becoming a lynch mob? Because that's was my main motivation last year, after minecon I decided I wouldn't put myself in a situation where the staff have the ability to spoil my fun or distract me from my enjoyment and stress me out with things that seem petty in my own eyes.

    When all I wanted was to develop my town I had staff members sending me /tells arguing with me over something that is non of their business in my mind. I made a town, and a town thread, instead of closing it and causing me problems and stress, why not leave it alone? (insert smug answer here) what would of been more fitting would be send me a convo explaining your concerns, and I can ignore it because your concerns are paranoid and unhelpful.

    I am still mayor of my town, and I didn't ask for the thread to be closed, and I won't ask for it to be re opened, because you just don't get it.....

    My town is not your concern so long as it follows rules. My thread is not your concern providing it contains town related stuff. And I get a power mad mod messaging me splitting hairs when you could just forget about it and move onto the next guy you want to interrupt and spoil their gaming leisure.
     
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  8. Mojinax

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    I wish I could respond, but for my own reasons I have to refrain. The one thing I will say is that if you want to make a point, try being more objective and discreet with whom you name and for what reason. It's not always best to drop names. I personally give you permission to use my situation in this post. It was a public happening, and was out there for all to see, all to comment on, and all to now examine and talk about. There was an easy way to make it private, and I tried to.

    That being said, I don't agree with everything in your post, but there are clearly some valid points that just need some more fleshing out.
     
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    Well I guess I can throw my two cents in here.

    I understand the gist of what Melvin here is saying, I do feel that you generalise a little too much in this post, I wouldn't say all mods are the same and there are some mods on this server whom I feel are fantastic members of the community.

    For instance I totally disagree about Versh, he has always been good to me and a lot of other players, he's just very very busy so he may come across as abrupt but then again so do most busy players - catch me at a time when i'm busy on the server and I rarely reply to people unless it's an important /tell.

    I will agree that a fair few members of staff could do with learning to take criticism better. I have seen a lot of ban threats and such over quite small issues but this isn't something that we haven't all been guilty of at some point.

    Favouritism and disliking are things I notice from time to time on this server. I think some staff need to work on being a little more indifferent towards players. I personally have had moments where i've seen something going on in chat that doesn't seem right, but have chosen not to speak out as I know that some of the members of staff involved would love an opportunity to ban me.
    I think that the punishment system could do with a rethink, I'm not trying to bring up old issues here but a respected player (Llamawithagun) was given a permanent ban by deity himself, the circumstances being that deity had force tp'd llama to him to discuss something, llama thought that the conversation was done and tp'd back to town to continue work assuming any further communications could be held in /tell. And was then banned for life. Had it been anyone but llama then I doubt that there would've been a ban involved.

    Even writing this post I worry that I may aggravate a staff member and result in a ban which is not the way a server should run.

    To reiterate Heinz' point, there are some staff members whom have been nothing short of fantastic, always helpful - maybe a little short tempered at times, but still good staff members. But I do feel that there is a lot of work yet to be done. Just yesterday I witnessed a staff member threaten to ban another player because they had "warned him twice to drop the subject" about which he was concerned.
     
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    Pro tip: It doesn't really matter.
    I hardly read any of this, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that this fictional drama isn't necessary and it would be much easier to all be friends with one another.
    The clique debate has been done many times, and trust me it's far easier to look past it and not to lose sleep over it. Treat it like highschool, and realise that afterwards it's all a bunch of fictional drama, please.
    I'm not trying to sound harsh, it's just that the reality is if you're not part of a group and they're a tight knit group oh well move on, it's not like you HAVE to talk to people you don't like, and in fact it's easier not to.
     
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    That sounds like get along with the staff, or shut up and leave. Personally I hated high school and I don't want to go back, so is my only choice to leave the server? Is that what you want? More people to get tired of the stubborn attitudes and leave?

    It goes to show how much you respect other players, you didn't even read the thread.
    So what right do you have to tell others it is fictional, and more or less insulting everyone who does care. If you don't care why did you jump in?

    It's divide and conquer here lol.
     
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    I don't know how to truly explain this, but it feels like with these posts people try to put themselves as the true victims and the staff as the evil overlords.

    The staff aren't saints, they do their best to uphold the server rules, some may do it in different ways than others, like some certain staff members in my opinion approach their staff positions as a kinder type of staff member, while others have to have a tougher outlook which in my opinion is something the server does need.

    Certain parts of the community think they're the victims and deserve 'justice' about how they've been wronged on the server and try to fight back and fight for what they believe.

    Awesome. Great. Most of the time that never works out here. Multiple players have tried to express their feelings like this in public forums, but they all end the same way. For those players who wanted change and tried to fight back in forums and try to get staff to change, in my opinion that ended up as a waste of time, multiple people have tried and failed.

    I find in my opinion, and please note everything here is from my point of view and could be wrong which I'll gladly accept.

    The community, or at least certain parts of it is unbareably toxic. You can talk about the mods being in their own little groups, but parts of the community have done the same thing, and in the ones I have just stayed in during teamspeak, nobody in there are clean holy saints.

    People have bad mouthed, insulted, and disrespected other players behind those players back, myself included has been affected by all of that thus I got tired of it and finally left the server. Lots of people have egos here, and after hearing that someone told me that they want me dead, I didn't go up to them and start flaming them, I tried my best to let it brush off by leaving.

    I spent some time with some staff who are friends together, they act purely like friends just playing games together, not like an evil cult that casually whispers to themselves about who's their next target. But sometimes those staff members have to act the opposite they are in teamspeak to perform their jobs as staff members.

    Away from all of that, if you think a post like this will affect things majorly or make people see the 'truth' then in my opinion you're mistaken, I've tried stuff like this in the past, never worked out. So I thought of something rationally that I know would work, which was staying as a simple player trying to avoid as much drama as I can, and for those players who needed help in chat I would quietly send them a /tell describing things that could help them.

    The server right now I find are all in their own little groups, nobody is innocent though and everyone has made their own mistakes, but the point I was trying to make before getting all sidetracked is that it isn't all the staffs fault that everyone tries to point fingers at sometimes.

    I'm not the most focused person when it comes to writing posts like this, so sorry if it doesn't make much sense.
    But here's basically my opinion in short:

    Don't make certain staff members seem evil just because of certain things. Certain parts of the community can be at fault at how some things have ended up as. But nobody here are really the true victims, the true victims are the new players who can get driven away by the rift between the staff and some players, and threads like this. But nobody here is forcing you to talk to mods, just follow the rules, casually talk to your friends, and avoid getting yourself into any drama and you'll have a happy life here.

    This is all my opinion, my view, but it worked for me to have a decent time here, if you disagree with my stuff then I don't particularly care, but if you want to talk to me about anything I've said, then send me a PM instead of creating more drama on public forums that can end up making things worse.
     
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    When all you want to do is play a game, it makes me angry if someone makes it their mission to drive you away from the game.

    I don't care for threads in the past, if we are destined to go round in circles then so be it, but do not make the mistake of thinking I won't defend myself, or anyone else's opinions if I see them as true.

    And I will repeat myself and defend my opinions and history on his server until hell freezes over.

    You are right about the new players, they are not the only victims though, and everyone who ignored players concerns in the past is guilty of being stubborn and refusing to reflect on themselves for the betterment of the server.

    How does the sever benefit if it's community leave? As many have.

    What some people seem to forget is that the staff don't sing from the same hymn sheet, they are not solid, they are just as divided as the players, sure it benefits them to stick together, but many times in these previous threads I have seen senior staff disagree with other staff members on these very topics.

    according to eltono those staff members must be imagining the drama too........but no matter we can put dirt blocks over the holes so no one will notice right?
     
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    I think the issue stems from both sides. In my case, when I cause an issue, it's because I'm confused. I want to know exactly what is happening, what for, and how that should be handled if at all. Each crime is given a trial, and I fully seek to exercise that applied to the server. But the problem comes when we're all so accepting of drama that we actually seek it out. I think a lot of us, players and staff alike, just like to have these conversations where we get to type these long, fleshed out paragraphs. And most of them in the past from me that really stick to my name are my "philosophical" threads about ways to better the server, or why we weren't doing so well. I could have put that in a conversation for sure, and the people who responded could have just as easily sent me a conversation. But we want it all to be public, we want to trump each other and for our opinions to reign supreme. And I know that a lot of my threads were relying on a staff member to respond to it, just like this one. This one BEGS a staff member to throw in their two cents, and the way the initial post is worded doesn't make it easy to stay in a good light and come off as wanting to resolve the issues. I really don't like your post, Deer. I think you do bring up some valid points, but you handled it just as poorly as Melvin did. That enforces the divide, and gives us that feel of player vs staff.

    I want to offer a solution, but really I don't know what to say. We all are who we are.

    Edit: I do, however, love your avatar, Deer.
     
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    Sorry Gwen, i will burn in the Nether for this, but i think it would be a lot easier if we had an active Head mod who can work through and moderate situations like these to prevent them happening, and then the head mod can take anything learned for next time into a meeting, and keep repeating it till the server takes notice.

    I wish Gwen were here....

    EDIT.

    Regarding my post referring to town thread closure and the entire situation i was in regarding other matters, i ended up making multiple complaints to Gwen, and things changed, i was no longer being messaged by the people i was having problems with, and i could once again play uninterrupted. Procedures work, providing everyone is present to carry them out.

    But we are doomed to keep repeating this cycle, Gwen took years gaining my trust, although she deserved it from day 1, but i was a noob too and in my head was always a negative voice each time Gwen said something to me, but that was in my head, because i have the ability to differentiate between reality and non reality. But trust takes time, and some of the staff think that trust and respect should be given, when it can only ever be earned.

    I respect Versh. But i cannot deny that some people will find him as rude, even if i know he isnt being rude, thats the reality we live in.

    Versh is not the issue, its how we perceive ourselves. Are we honest with each other? no....
    Most of us here are so narcissistic and obsessed with our own fun that we simply do not care at times. The good people are very few indeed. I do not count myself among the good people either, but i hope i am at least half good.
     
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    Being Francis of Assisi is not a condition for becoming moderator. Moderators are people, some of them are rude, others are nice. I have never had a problem with a moderator which couldn't be solved with distance. I consider versh to be a bit rude, so I don't engage in fights with him or provoke him or bash him. If I need to I will find myself a nicer moderator to talk to. Which btw, is not that difficult of a job, there are plenty of good moderators on here, although some of them are not very active there is still plenty left.
     
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    While you have not had any problems with the staff, let me recall an instance, i drew up a convo, added the moderator, and showed him my screenshots, what was the outcome you ask?
    I got banned because he had bad English skills and could not connect that i was the one who had a problem and asked him for help, he saw it as black and white, and due to the nature of it he saw fit to ban me. Fast forward to after speaking to Deity himself, the ban was reversed and that mod is no where to be seen. But how many times does a staff member need to bungle it before anyone says hang on!

    True but they still have a duty to the server, rules are so rigid, there will never be a rule to say "mods must be nice" but it should technically be an unwritten rule that goes without saying, nothing good to say, don't say it and all that xD

    A single rude person has the power to make you feel unwelcome, or help convince a new player to not bother waiting to see if the server is as good as lots of us claim.
    Which ties back into what zone said about new players being the victims,. but as i say it goes hand in hand. Respect has to work mutually, and if someone cannot even fake a smile for the Deity cam then why are they staff....?

    Tink said it better than i ever could in a previous thread, i am looking for it now, but my memory is failing me.....

    And here it is, i found it All hail Tink! http://imdeity.com/threads/come-on-now.19551/page-3#post-244877

    So the question is, which option will it be sir? madam?
    Would you like to see our extensive wine list full of sour feedback on all the previous threads?
    or will it be the suggestions thread that is instantly shot down every time lol, it SHOULD be a staff rule that they cannot comment on suggestions unless they are being constructive and adding ways to make the idea a reality instead of the usual "no" its so much easier to say "OMG sweet idea dude! but awww its not gonna work because of this, dang im sorry bro!" as a format, instead of "no! you are wrong! We dont care! go away!" kind of attitude. (last paragraph more tongue in cheek but we shouldn't have to ask people to be nice)

    We are dealing with children a lot of the time, we need to rise above sarcasm sometimes to accommodate this imho.

    There are too many of these things happening as we all know, us players who love Deity and the server will continue to play and we will fight our corner but we need adequate representation in the staff meetings.

    I feel a lot of this could be solved by having an elected member of the community in staff meetings as a non staff member to be given a platform to bring up any points the community feel need addressing, that would satisfy a lot of people on that front, and that person should have no staff powers at all, just a moment to represent the people.

    Now i know many people are begging to smash this post based on what i just said, lol your heads must be itching to headbutt me xD

    Right now some are thinking "this is not a democracy, It is the way it is, you will never impliment a change like this, or so what we dont care"

    But thats the bottom line isnt it, you care and find ways to fix things, or you dont.

    The outcome is decided by all of us, lets make history on the server and all take a moment to try and be better people.

    We can innovate and drive change by being the change. I for one am sick of the saltyness.

    Say no to salt!

    Just some thoughts xD
     
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    Moderators, like police, are a public service that is granted to us to protect us. Police are of course told to be nice to people unless there is an immediate danger, and even then the immediate welfare of the person (even if they are presenting danger to the police) is of priority until they show they WILL act on negative intentions. It sucks having to represent your uniform at all times, and some may not be able to do it - but they signed up for it. Personally, without my consideration for their emotions, they don't get to pull excuses when they act rude or out of line.

    Personally I feel the moderators are instead protecting THE server nowadays, not the PLAYERS of the server - those that consist of the server. That's not true in all situations, and it's not meant to say that it is true at all. I just feel that in some cases, especially when there is little consideration for the feelings of the players at question, that it may be true.
     
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    Somewhat, i mean, the problem seems tiny to me and the cases are not what i would call frequent but they have been consistent through the history, However small the problem, it is magnified by the sour attitudes of many of us.

    I hope everyone reading this knows me well enough to know that i am very passionate and emotional, but those are my strengths, i have tons of time, money, love, invested in this server, and like many i have made sacrifices at times to play with you guys at hours that i consider ungodly xD
    And to my comment about the money, yeah it was a purchase donation for perks, but i didn't do it for the perks. I can play mine-craft without them as i used to. However i wanted to pay my respects and invest in the very thing i loved.

    I guess in a nutshell, i just want the server to be a family again, whether that means me being a part of it or not.
    The solutions are always there if you are willing to look for them.
     
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    The post I wrote was made up on a headbutt, and you're right, I poorly answered it as a moderator, and yes, it feels more like a defensive post that does splits the whole thing apart. Shouldn't have written it that way, but now it's a bit too late to rewrite the complete post. :p

    Everything said by you guys today are mostly true, I can't really argue with that. I personally can't see what I can bring to the conversation at this point, so if I do, I'll either edit and/or reply once again.
    We all need to get our stuff together, and get a formal and actual discussion about what needs to be changed and whatnot. I'd be more than happy to try to answer in a private message if you are willing to get some points out; but I'm not saying I will be able to answer it all :)

    Y'all have a good day!
    -Deer

    P.S. @Mojinax : I appreciate it, took a while to find an avatar that shows my true identity. ;)
     
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