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Discussion in 'Kingdoms General' started by Mojinax, July 29, 2015.

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  1. Mojinax

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    What would make people want to "Like" this reply is beyond me. If there were a dislike button, I'd have pressed that but I'll settle with making a thread in response. I understand they were responding like pricks and were clearly there to pick a fight, but you have to realize some of the things they say are true. I've had countless conversations with friends here that ended in "Well Deity is too stubborn to do that." If that's not how it ended, Barry sure would put a stake in the heart of your idea when he heard about it.

    I think what sums up this server's situation the best is the horse market. Couldn't even tell you how long it's been broken for and I really think it was a step in the right direction for this server. That idea was creative and the execution was cool, and we just let it die. Someone brings it up and the response is either "It's not priority" or "Deity is the only coder". To me that means "We don't care." You take a vote and I'm sure a majority of the people would say they want the market back simply because it's a public good that didn't hurt anything.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's not a fair system, how things are decided. And the staff's response, the saddest thing of all, is "Yeah, it's not fair. Deity's server, Deity's call." It's been said to me 1000 times. I remember as a kid being over at someone's house and him using "My house, my rules," as an excuse as to why he doesn't have to give me the controller after he died. It's just a kick in the pants that is poorly explained, as seen above, and honestly should not be a thing. For the last time, as I know I've suggested it before, give us weekly/monthly updates and maybe make a poll for 3 things on your agenda we could vote on for you to prioritize. That way it's 3 things you want done, we get to choose one, you get it done first - everyone is happy.

    The only other issue I'd like to discuss is the negativity and lack of tact I can smell off of your posts, Versh. I hope you know I don't dislike you and I hope you can take some advice. I hate Seph, but take some notes from him. He at least punches you in the face with gloves on.

    And for god's sake if we can PLEASE do me the justice of knowing what rules I had broken and sending them to me even in a private message before we take down or lock this thread that would be great. It took me 45 minutes to carefully piece it together and I treat it like a 3rd grader treat's his macaroni necklace.
     
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  2. BarryX15

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    STOP MENTIONING MY NAME IN YOUR POSTS!
     
  3. Mojinax

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    Then learn about horsemarket before posting anything. It is fixed for over a month.
     
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    I wouldn't know because I don't play anymore. But good - about time.
     
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    I am a little sadden you didn't want to include the entire unedited quote.

    I am also sadden that you feel like like server has hurt you in some way. I remember one day you asked for something on the server and it was granted for you. I am sure it was the happiest day for you. I am not allowed to talk about wish granting of staff.
     
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    There is no reply option and I don't know how to manually quote something like the server automatically does, so I got rid of "agree" and did a simple quote. I did not touch the rest. What was I given?
     
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    1) I was the one who wanted the post to be locked. You mention nothing of my doing. All parties should be included in your post.

    2) I am not allowed to talk about wish granting by staff.
     
  9. Mojinax

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    I'm not arguing whether or not the thread should have been locked. It was hijacked. I started a new thread and quoted something from the last. I am sorry, but there was no reason to mention you at all.

    If you're confused about me asking for my potential lock to be explained, the way things happen around here are one-liner locks that don't go too far into detail when you hit a touchy subject. Would be curious why it was locked exactly. Literally nothing about this thread has anything to do with you (don't mean that in a rude way).
     
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    Are you trying to say you don't like how things are run?

    want some sort of post about what is being worked on by the volunteer java programmer(s)?

    want some sort of post about what has been completed by the volunteer java programmer(s)?

    Do you want some sort of accountability for staff members?

    Are you asking for niceness?
     
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    As much as this thread is stupid, A lot of good points are made.
    The server could use some more of a community input.. There are plenty of ideas that people have out there that would work but people don't listen to us, The community, About what would make the server stronger. I understand that it is Deity's server but community input would never hurt.

    Also Mojinax's comments about the mod thing, Remembering all this is an opinion, I disagree with what Mojinax is saying.. Kinda.
    I just feel that some of the mods need to treat players with more respect, Especially that have put time and effort into the server.
    I've had times when I come in chat and my head will get bitten off by a mod for having a discussion that is amongst many people. The remark "Take your banter to facebook" or whatever it is I keep getting told isn't professional and isn't funny.

    -Danny
     
  12. Mojinax

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    It's no secret I hate how things are ran. It's been 3 years of me complaining about it. People don't want to open their eyes and see that the server is not what it used to be. I've been looked at and told like I'm an idiot that the server is doing just fine - it's just the school year. It's summer now - where's the population? And no, 20 is not a big number. 20 should be a town. You know it's bad when people look up because they think they heard "Server Reset." Instead of looking toward new content or advances we look towards the annihilation of all our past work as a big event, myself included. There's been a lot of good ideas that just need a bit of fairy dust to get the ball rolling in the 4 years I've been here that never came to fruition. There's been a lot of good ideas that were implemented and now they're gone. Minimal effort (no offense btarb) is going into this server an no one wants to hear that it's failing. It might be beyond fixing by now... I don't know.

    If you're wondering why I still care - I'd never go to another server.
     
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    Although i do agree that my comment on the locked thread could be taken as "trying to start a fight", it's only because i am sickened and maddened by the fact that this server has died. throughout my time playing on minecraft(since alpha), i've come across many servers, and become a regular of 3-4 mainstream and or less known servers, so I have extensive insight on the effects of server managing whether it's good, bad, mainstream, everchanging, stagnant, etc.

    The reason i left this server is mainly because of 2 things.
    1) no traffic whatsoever, which means no new people. Every time you come on, its the same group of 5-20 people. 25 on a good day.
    2) the fact that so many ideas are pushed away, and the server has honestly become bland.

    I came back for the reset after being away for months, and was very disappointed with the lack of initiative staff members took with the opportunity of a new beginning. There were pages upon pages of suggestions, including custom map ideas, a server texture pack, shops, markets, and events. Don't try and tell me what you tried to tell me in the locked thread, AKA "deity chooses what he likes and doesn't like". If a server was about the owner and only the owner, every other server i've played on would have died.

    I've seen multiple successful servers have co-owners and a VERY active and VERY informed and open staff. They listen carefully to any individual, they take every idea into consideration, and there isn't even such a thing as locked threads(and these servers have 20x the traffic deity has had within the last year). Recently, a server which i obviously can't name(because it's heresy on this forum to name any server other than imdeity's), was having serious trouble, just like this one had a couple of years ago. traffic was stagnant, forum posts were less and less each day, and what did the owner do? he didn't sit back and make excuses, with the staff defended his every right to be a couch potato. he didn't sit online, ignoring anything and everything directed at him. He stepped up and hired a new owner, and this new owner brought so many new ideas to the table. The server then took advantage of a reset, and is back to the #1 rated factions server.

    Try saying I'm picking a fight, lock the thread, i don't care, I'm saying this stuff because i used to care about this server. the answer to bringing the traffic and profit back is right in front of your noses, but if you want to be immature, ignoring questions, ignoring everyone but your inner circle, be my guest. i'll come back a minute before this server takes it's last breath and link everyone to this thread. I'll do the same if this makes a change, but i have a feeling it won't.
     
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    1. No, i don't like how things are run. the fact that people can't say they're unhappy with how the server's run is the biggest issue you have.
    2. Yes!
    3. Yes!!
    4. Why would anybody not want staff members to have accountability? it's their responsibility to be accountable.
    5. I'm asking for something other than a dictatorship. I'm asking for a hint of democracy.
     
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    Not another semi-annual venting thread from an inactive player yearning for "change"... woohoo

    You want, he wants... blah blah

    Read and let it marinate:
    1. (Personal) Change your forum profile picture, it just irks me inside and is slightly disturbing. I don't understand why the mods haven't made you change it over the past year, especially when speaking politics/religion are criminal-caliber acts in-game.
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    2. Selling Minecraft to Microsoft was the greatest financial decision in videogame history, I seriously applaud Mojang/Notch. He dumped off a successful game right at its peak/climax. Besides natural boredom that arises from an aging game, there is no money left to be made for developers in this open-source and EULA regulated gaming concept; it just took a few years of 12 year old dilution to figure it out.
    3. When there is no money to be made, you are left with either a) super amateur developers (like new devs looking to learn by using the Bukkit API) or b) programmers looking to sincerely make other people happy.
    4. Making people happy is nice on a monthly or semi-annual basis because it doesn't consume too much time. This is what Deity and BTarb do. Hosting a server that is net-negative (Deity) is just as sincere as making people happy through occasional new features (BTarb).
    5. There is no denying that many Mods find a personal thrill in having a certain level of authority, however unrealistic (in regards to real life) it is. This conclusion comes from personal experience.. Why do you think I spent countless hours making Doha the monopoly it was on the last map? There was an absolute thrill in knowing I had so much influence and friends (and a tonnnn of tax money).

    In conclusion, I'd advise one to become a super amateur programmer. At least you could learn something that is applicable to a real world career. Otherwise, sit back and enjoy the endless gossiping cliques on the server or try too hard finding if a blue tag yields thrill.

    Community sure does feed our desire for entertainment nonetheless. Thanks for this thread; it entertained me for the evening.
     
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    Forgive me if I am wrong, but minecraft servers that have admins mainly are Dictatorships in a sense. It is run the way they envisioned it to be run because it is THEIR server, yes? A democratic minecraft server wouldn't work because everyone would constantly be arguing over what should happen with the server and if they didn't get what they wanted they would probably cry like a little child and throw a tantrum. Now, I do agree to a point that this server does need a bit more community input, however I do agree in the sense it is Deity's server and whether something happens or not is his decision. Ultimately it is as many people have stated, this is ImDeity's server and he will decide what he believes will ultimately be best for the server, and if you just can't accept that (Dear Lord please forgive me for saying this) then honestly you are better off leaving and not causing unnecessary drama or problems that add on to the workload both the Mods have and Deity have to maintain the server. They do enough without having to appease to those who can not accept that an idea was not granted. I for one have been here and I sympathize with the mods who not only have to juggle being a mod and maintaining order on the server and their real life jobs, families, whatever. But if you add your conniving, bickering, and ludicrous arguments over what should be changed in YOUR opinion then obviously the server quality is going to go downhill when they are more focused on appeasing to you than trying to keep the server running. But there will always be pessimistic people who can't enjoy a server for what it's good for, with that I finish my rant. I am sure I will regret posting.
     
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    I'm inactive for a reason, to begin.

    1) No.
    2) Natural boredom isn't an excuse for this server. If there were major attempts to fight the natural boredom, I'd have different feelings about this server
    3) They started and continue to run a server - they have to deal with it if they want to continue to.
    4) I wouldn't call what they do "making people happy"

    You're welcome, by the way.
     
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    So basically the fact that I'm telling you something that you don't agree with means i shouldn't say it?
    My bad, there's nothing close to a dictatorship here. y'all are just a cult.
    unnecessary drama? I guess evolution is drama too, in the sense that we all should of kept swinging around in trees eating bananas.
    To have to deal with the people of this town i have grown up in is enough... They're never leaving here because this is all they know. They don't care about potential, rising to the challenge, taking opportunities, they stay with what they're comfortable with. You remind me so much of them. You're right, both you and yogs, this server isn't even real life. If i don't like it, I should leave. That's why I left. Y'all do you, I'm not gonna try and change your never ending party of 20 people, go ahead. I only came here to tell you that you have a real shot of making something out of this server. If this is enough for you, then it's enough for you. But make sure you don't try out any other servers, you might like them too much and realize there's nothing special with this one.

    PS: Ducktales
     
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    Of course. We sacrifice ignorant fools on Saturdays, great fun you should join. I'll say this, right now Deity is working on bringing all the worlds up because Bukkit no longer gets updated, he has to update everything by hand. Now, I don't know much about programming but I'm fairly certain that it's a huge task, he simply doesn't have time to change anything right now while updating.

    As for me not agreeing with what you said so you shouldn't say it... I do believe and I quote, "Now, I do agree to a point that this server does need a bit more community input, however I do agree in the sense it is Deity's server and whether something happens or not is his decision." I do believe I said I agree, but nonetheless you decide to put words into my mouth I simply did not say.

    As for evolution into a connection with drama... I understand you stand for evolution, however as I stated (Once again you seem to miss my point,) it is Deity's ultimate decision on what goes on and he will choose what is best for HIS server. I'm all for evolution, I just condone causing drama or issues over it if you don't get the way you want at the time being. You never know, sometime down the line when everything they have current is settled and they need an idea, yours may come to light.
     
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