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Bring gold back

Discussion in 'Suggestions / Ideas' started by BarryX15, May 14, 2015.

  1. BarryX15

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    Here we go again, i still refuse to accept that we cannot use gold for building and normal crafting. Here is the idea/hope about how to have gold back in game:

    1. Vault plugin in Mining World takes Gold Ore only, and leaves Gold Ingots, Gold Blocks and Gold Nuggets in player inventory.

    2. Vault plugin in Main World is removed completely, because there is no need for it: Gold Ore stays in Vault and it cannot be transfered to Main World, other gold-based items are no longer paid for.

    3. Vault page on portal remains the same without any changes, buying Gold Ore for 25 Dei per piece. Deity Shop sells Gold Ingot for 25 Dei per piece (or heck, 26 Dei to pay 1 dei for smelting that stuff). Special crafting recipes for gold-based stuff can then be removed.

    To answer concerns about possible abuse of the system: There would be no changes in how Gold Ore is exchanged for Dei, therefore there would be no new possible ways of abuse. And because other gold items (e.g. ingots, nuggets, blocks) would become the same kind of stuff as glowstone, any issues that would happen to gold items can already happen to glowstone.
     
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  2. heinz_gruber

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    Seconded. I have been spitting feathers since gold was removed, and as stated in countless conversations with Barry, there is simply no need to prevent building with gold.
     
  3. Qazz

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    The entire reason that the ability to be able to use gold for building and crafting in the first place was taken away was because numerous people found numerous ways to dupe gold ingots and gold blocks. Having gold as an item that can be held and used by the player will only further enable this, and while there may not be a known method of duping now, one may arise in the future and it could potentially wreck the economy like it did when this was initially implemented. I'm against having this go through, honestly. A few bad apples ruined the bunch for me. It's not so significant of a building material that it needs to be put back in place, and if it is for you, you may be able to talk to Deity or smc to worldedit it in with protection.
     
  4. BarryX15

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    Once again:

    Gold ore is handled the same way as now = safe.

    Other gold stuff is no longer paid for by the server = same as glowstone. I havent seen any issues with glowstone in past 2 years, being active on the server for all the time.

    Any specific concerns?
     
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    It sounds logical to me. With the proposed change the vault would only confiscate ore. Vault could remain active on both mine & main worlds. Ingots, armor, nuggets, tools, and blocks would not be confiscated by the vault.

    If Vault only takes GoldOre and there's no way of turning ignots or blocks back into ore then there's no apparent concern over duping/exploiting the vault.
     
  6. heinz_gruber

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    Even if a gold block or ingot was duped it would change nothing, the gold should still have technically zero value, although you know we will all end up paying through the nose for it lol.
    If it had zero value in Dei then it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the server.
     
  7. Sephronia

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    To address Heinz's point, as with pretty much every item in the game, gold has as much dei value as people perceive it to have or the server assigns. Nothing has 'zero value', as the server is based around supply and demand, as SMC has pointed out in his economy posts.

    I see no reason besides the possibility of duping to not have gold blocks re-enabled.

    Many thanks,
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    If people were going to dupe anything, why just gold and not glowstone as Barry said?

    If gold had value then why can we not buy it Seph? Gold ore has value, but is locked into the vault.
     
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    Why do people dupe, full stop? Perhaps the current players have better judgement than the ones that originally duped gold? Perhaps people haven't discovered how to? Perhaps there isn't enough of a 'demand' for Glowstone? Perhaps people are already duping and haven't been caught yet? The rhetorical questions are endless.

    As I said, I see no reason besides the possibility of duping to not have gold blocks re-enabled, as in, I support having gold blocks re-enabled.

    Many thanks,
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    I see no reason for all the hypothetical nonsense the just convolutes things. It doesn't make any difference whether somebody can duplicate gold or glowstone.
     
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    Seph was simply answering YOUR rhetorical question about glowstone vs gold. It's rather mind boggling that you then follow up by stating it makes no difference and that rhetorical questions make for convoluted nonsense.

    I think you're confusing value with price. Everything has a value. Cobbestone has a very small value because demand is low and supply is high. Diamonds have a higher value because of the inverse. Gold has an extremely high value because you cannot acquire it and no one has any. To go further.. how much would someone pay for a gold block right now... a lot, right? Thus, it has a high value. The fact that you cannot buy it does not change the fact that it has a value.
     
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    My point is can someone duplicate right now no matter the block? I just want to know the facts, duplicating gold will make no change as the block itself cannot be converted into cash if the right measures are taken. Do you live your lives hypothetically?
     
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    Ah okay, I think I misread/misinterpreted something in your original post. My mistake.

    Now that I've more carefully looked over this, this definitely seems like something we'd benefit from, as long as the whole duplication issue doesn't arise again.
     
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    You shouldn't passively blame others for your own inability to properly convey thoughts.

    Staff does not currently know of any way to dupe blocks.

    If someone were to duplicate gold then, yes, they could make dei from it. They wouldn't get it from the vault system, but they could simply sell the duplicated items to other players.
     
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    Remove vault entirely - people duplicate - they're banned. They don't - they're not banned. Qazz is worried about the economy and I'd say there's not a structured enough economy to worry about, and it's not like you have to go to college to get a degree to be able to obtain your own supplies (if the 'economy' fails). I say let it rain and let the era of ugly gold-blocked buildings begin.

    (Edited irrelevant banned player name out - take issue with this up with SaintThunder)
     
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    Whilst there has been no reply on this thread for over half a year, I feel this suggestion is highly achievable and would require little effort to implement. The idea of using the current vault and then purchasing from /go shop is simple yet effective, and would be a great addition to the Kingdoms. The threat of duping is cleared and there is no reason as to why this cannot be implemented.

    Haydo
     
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    It isn't easy to catch the dupers, if they are smart they could just dupe little at a time. although I do love the idea of bringing gold back, just banning the dupers wouldn't cut it. Plus people have multiple accounts to store gold on so we would never know.
     
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