Town Blacklisting?

This is in reply to this, and Levi's comment - we don't wish to be completely closed off. We would like for new players to be allowed to explore our town, without having an escort. Being completely closed off, while it prevents the unwanted from setting foot within our city limits, also limits the curious players who may want to explore the town. But with a blacklist system, we don't have to scoop up every player in a net and close ourselves off to keep two or three away from us.

And a blacklisting does not have to be permanent. Another mayor can overturn it if he feels it's unjust.

 

It kinda would make sense if there was a town blacklist, i mean, they already exist in spoken form (from my time as an assistant there would be people other towns would warn us about letting into our town for multiple, unbannable, reasons) so why not in a more reliable form of communication?

 

How I understand this idea is to evade taxes in a way. You constantly say that they are griefing (or just being on those plots to not be ejected) on land that is unclaimed by your town (in order to play less taxes as a whole). I definitely see why you would want to do this as a Mayor and keeping the town afloat. But ultimately you just don't want to pay taxes so you are accepting that risk of being griefed on the parts of land that are not claimed by the town.

I look at it as a problem you already must have considered or you wouldn't be making this post in the first place. So you either need to claim those parts or in the case of being griefed make the tickets but I would have to agree with Gwenhywar and Sephronia on the simple fact that more than likely this would be used to do bad by some and cause more problems than it solved. As griefing is concerned there is always tickets to get it rolled back.

 

Not to butt in here, but i recal the time i personally was getting harrased (being called a freak and my actual family/living arangments being insulted ) i was told to ignore the person...so obviously people are reluctant to say anything because nothing actually gets done about it, especially as much as you say it does

Also to name a few things that get passed around from town to town,
harassment
constantly asking souly for assistant without doing anything
Constant minor griefs people get told to deal with because its town matters (same for petty few item theft)
Sexism (ive made tickets on people and theyve gone nowhere for tjis one...)
Constant disregard for town rules
ect.ect

 

I think most new players do not just visit towns anyways. Usually when a player joins they are either ignored or begged to join a town immediately in result of some weird competition people set up. The new players progress by joining a town without a chance to learn how the server functions. If a town is set to private, there is little to no deterrence from someone joining. I feel that it would actually be good for some players (such as myself) because of the safety from griefing would be enhanced. I am comfortable with the ticket system we have already and provides work for moderators. I never had a constant problem as a mayor of players entering my town and griefing or harassing other players, it was very uncommon. Especially if a town is socially active, there is no problem with/t eject for a one time warning and reporting if it continues.

That's not very nice.

 

Just clarifying as this is off topic a bit, but the harrasment case was about 2 years ago now and had gone to admins, not like i can overrule the server owners desicion regarding it.

But by passed around from town to town i mean quite literally that, if someone gets kicked from a town and they are seen trying to join up another, or the messege is sent server whide so and so acepted other person in their town a quick message to the mayor/staff warning them the reasons of their kick happens more often than not (or at least it did last map) also im sorry if none of this makes no sense but its almost 3am and im already running on 4 hours of sleep...

 

I say NO to sole blacklist idea if reasoned by griefing - that should be prevented by claimed land. But i say YES to the blacklist idea if reasoned otherwise: stealing dropped items, killing pets, waiting in front of the house staring into windows.

There is one possible way to balance the tax evasion - every name on the blacklist should be taxed by lets say 50 dei added to town tax e.g. it would be better to claim 25 plots than to blacklist one person. If some of my residents would feel uncomfortable having someone around, i would make a deal with them - donate 1500 dei to town bank and i will blacklist that person for one month.

Beside blacklist, we could also add a whitelist as suggested earlier
http://imdeity.com/threads/kingdoms-plot-permission-system.18916/

 

Yes, it can get abused, but so can the existing protective programs we have. By that logic, we should also remove /t eject because a "hormone raging mayor" could just eject anyone they see...

 

so how do you like an idea to pay tax for every name on the blacklist?

 

In my case it's not a big deal

 

but surely a white-list is just more paperwork, when you simply wish to keep 1 or 2 people out, instead of having to add every single person to the whitelist except the person you are trying to keep out a blacklist works much better when you only need to add 1 or 2 names to the barred list.

 

Maybe make all your town plots pvp, that way you just kill them?

 

Or they kill you. either way its a really bad idea.

 

Setting pvp allowed costs 2000 Dei per plot. I doubt there is a town able to try it.

 

I like the effort you have put into it, but it has one serious fault: If you add people to friendlist, they have all permissions (e.g. edit+use+access) so blacklisted people can dig their way out from the spawn.

To make it completely secure you need to cover the blacklist plot with protection stone area, but that also takes parts of three neighboring plots so its not usable everywhere.