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Discussion in 'Kingdoms General' started by Rmarmorstein, April 21, 2013.

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  1. smcallah

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    Ok, then, noted. But that's why ImDeity is trying to automate it, he knows it leads to mistakes without it, and automation makes it easier for everyone.
     
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    Yeah I was just informing you so you don't get people complaining about it >:D
     
  3. Rmarmorstein

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    But, aren't you right now contributing to the uselessness and the war? If you don't like this thread, then just stay away from it. Pretty much, I'm seeing you complaining about an argument that me and you are having right now, because you kept quoting me saying how this is useless..

    Thank you. Since i was wondering on this also, from different situations, and different things.
     
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    I'm going to agree with Rmar on this. Although I understand that this thread is creating dissent and disputes between (primarily) the staff and some players, I find this to be a very useful thread. Being relatively new, besides one or two things (e.g. Shoe & Mojinax's argument), I haven't noticed as many problems as people are suggesting. Maybe this is because I'm young, or just because I'm newer than the rest of you. Or maybe I am just very horrible at perceiving things like this. Who knows, perhaps all of this concern and debating is unnecessary as the staff know what they're saying more than they let on. Either way, I am learning a lot from this thread.

    P.S. This thread has evolved into a discussion, and one that needs to be had. The way that people have brought this about, however, through accusations and denial, I will say, is not helpful. I may be new. I may be young. At the end of the day, though, I am as much a member of ImDeity as any of you (Most of you, anyways), and at the end of the day, we are a community. So please, if you just want to complain, this is not the place. However, if you care about having a good server and a good community, by all means - go ahead.
     
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  5. Frenchy1

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    This will be the last post that I ever make, so be kind enough to not delete it.


    Yet again Vershye for the last time, I wish to ask that you stop acting so immaturely.
    Are. You. Freaking. Serious?

    I called you out on this last time mate. I told you to NEVER AGAIN tell us to 'leave'. EVER.
    Do you have memory issues? Even then, if you had forgotten, please.... please try to give logic a shot. Think before posting such hideous things. You are supposed to be a staff member, a shiny and respectable example of the perfect play-style on our server. Can you at least attempt to demonstrate those qualities!?
    You are exactly the reason that people are leaving the server. I have talked with many so called 'quitters' that left this server because of Offensive Language Edited Out like attitude from Moderators like yourself.

    Every single time you take the 'I didn't do anything' stance (just like you did on this thread actually) even though you are one of the prime motivators towards the current population decay.

    HOW DARE YOU tell people that are voicing their opinions that they are making 'useless posts'? HOW DARE YOU?

    I have rarely been this angry at someone in my life. Last time you made a post like this (on the "wouldn't the old Imdeity be awesome" thread) you were basically told to take a step back and use your brain. I could understand you saying that once, but now a second time?

    Do you REALLY want us to leave? Guess what, many of us ARE leaving because things including the negative attitude on your part.

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    This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I really respect Deity, and therefore I will not make a suggestion to have you removed from the staff, but seriously man? Stop being such a freaking Offensive Language Edited Out.

    Excuses won't count this time. It's just too much. I still can't start to believe that someone on the staff would see our opinions about the server and think that the threads are 'useless'. I just can't comprehend the ridiculousness of your thought pattern.

    YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO MAKE US WANT TO PLAY ON THIS SERVER. WHY MUST YOU KEEP DOING THE CONTRARY?

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    I have just been talking with a lot of 'veterans' that have left the server a while ago. I could tell you right now that some of them have pretty harsh feelings towards you, but you probably wouldn't even care.




    ImDeity is not made of two classes where there are the 'plebeians' and the 'staff '. You are a part of the community, as are we. This is the ridiculous factor. It seems that some (including you) have failed to understand that you are still a part of the community. Your smugish behavior towards players is actually really good at making people hate playing on the server.


    Ever single time that someone proposes good ideas there has to be at least one staff member (generally always the same people) that demeans us. Can we please get over the fact that you are in a small position of power on a small server, and please move on to helping the server grow?

    Some of us have paid hundreds of dollars hoping to keep this server running correctly, and yet some Offensive Language Edited Out tries to tell us to just 'leave'?
    Some of us are only here for the community that ImDeity represents. We WANT to play with friends or have fun with people that we enjoy. The staff primarily only serves to help the community attain that, and to ensure server wide happiness.


    I used to respect you, but honestly man,
    You should be ashamed of yourself.






    After all of the long posts that I have made trying to change something with the way that the server is going, I can't keep going. Because of the lack of maturity of some staff members, we are going nowhere. Our community is still strong but many have moved on to 'other servers' as they were told to do so by people like Vershye. I guess I will do the same.



    Goodbye People,
    We will meet again when Vershye convinces you to leave as well.
    I will not state where I will be playing, since that would be advertising, but I would like to have everyone know that I am not quitting minecraft, but just rage-quitting on this server.
    How many hours have I spent typing away huge posts to try to help the server? In retrospect I feel like I have wasted so much time and so much money for nothing. I enjoy and respect so many people on this server including most of the staff, but some of the people here exhale so much toxicity that I just can't do this anymore.
    It was a good long run for me but I guess i'm just dangerously allergic to imbecility.



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  6. Vershye

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    The only attitude here is yours. I'm not telling you to leave, you're bringing that up on your own. You really need to understand the content of the posts you are replying to because you are just making yourself look like an idiot.

    If you took the time to understand what you quoted of mine, you would see that I stated the new players see the "Veterans" whining about the server and THEY leave you nub.

    Also, the reason this post was made was because ONE person decided they weren't getting the attention they thought was deserved out of the staff and it grew into what it is now.

    I'm sorry you fail to actually understand the full context of these posts and yet again pull out only what can further your own attitude filled agenda.
     
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    I actually agree with everything Frenchy said, I feel the same way too. I was trying to stay calm, but..

    And, frenchy, I wish you good luck, you honestly just earned every bit of respect that I have.
     
  8. Venithar

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    That was a rather long post. I agree with the portion about telling people to leave if they don't like it. It seems all to often that people tell people to leave if they don't like something, rather than actually listening to what the people have to say (rehashed or not). I've said this before, it's the players that make the server, not the staff. Yes, you can get more players, but wouldn't it be better to try to address the problems those currently playing see, rather then relying on new players to maintain the world, and thus having a larger server since you would then have both those old players who are complaining (or whining as was stated) about things they see wrong with the server?

    Here's a suggestion for Deity: Put in a Code of Conduct that staff need to follow, with actually punishments for not following it. You may actual find that the players react better when the mods are less sarcastic and condescending.
     
  9. Rmarmorstein

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    Fully Agree, There (should) be one already, if the server has been up for 2+ years. If there is one, it is probably not getting enforced, or whatever.
     
  10. smcallah

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    Vershye said:
    So rather than seeing useful suggestions from the "veterans" of the server, all they see is people whining and complaining about the so-called "dying" server and leave.

    I don't wish to pile on, but Vershye clearly did not tell people to leave. He clearly said that these threads lead to people seeing whining and complaining about the server and then probably leave because of it.

    He in no way suggested that anyone leave if they are whining in his post.
     
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    Eh?

    So,

    What?

    I'm confused. I guess this "Build/Economy" is just to complicated for anyone anymore to figure out.

    I think the purpose of Deity is to make a town/kingdom and build awesome stuff and to be creative.

    What is the issue? Are the mods really stopping you from building and trading? Or are you just bored?

    Or, are they just not accompanying everyone's concerns about what new features should be added.

    Either way. figure out what it is you want. If what you want is a different mod/mods then complain to deity not in a public chat.
     
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    Though I don't want to contribute to this discussion, I used to tell people that didn't like the server (generally people who spent less than an hour here) to leave, and I kinda regret it :/. Okay that's enough from me, I'll go back into my hermit shell :p.
     
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  13. Venithar

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    Don't get me wrong Sock, I can understand a little sarcasm and maybe some joking around, but there seems, at times, a complete lack of respect shown by staff to the players.
     
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    Unless we are prepared to also punish regular players for doing the same thing, I don't see this completely working. It's not fair to hold one set of regular players that just happen to be able to moderate chat or ban people to a different set of chat rules.

    I'm not going to ban, kick, or mute a player who is being sarcastic or condescending unless it is to the point of abusiveness.

    Everyone should be nicer to everyone, but that's a personal choice, and we'll moderate it if it becomes abusive.

    The only complaint I've seen about a mod in recent memory was a couple of weeks ago, and that was dealt with by ImDeity. And that was not sarcasm or condescension, it was straight up rude and abusive.

    Mods clearly know they are being screenshot at all times. I can barely do anything on the server without being subject to a screen capture. So if anything truly abusive is getting through the cracks I'd find it hard to believe.

    Also, the mods don't always know when I'm online, because I can vanish.

    So if a mod is going to be abusive and think they will not be caught by a hidden admin or policing by regular players is walking a fine line.
     
  15. Rmarmorstein

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    But, I've seen times where the Staff has clearly gotten away with things, that a normal person could have been banned for. Right now, I think the staff is getting punished less, and the others do as well, since this point got brought across. IMHO, Staff should be held to the same, if not higher standards than the players, since they are the role models.
     
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    smc, I think this is the actual problem, what you (or Deity) view as not being to a level of being an issue may very well be viewed differently by the player base. Technically staff should be held to a higher standard, as the represent the server more than the average player does, precisely because they moderate the chat and can ban. The saying "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" comes to mind here. I have a feeling if I started acting like some of your staff members do, I would be banned.
     
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    I found an issue. . . I cant find any rules to the server. . . I am retarded but likely if I cant find it neither can reg players. Can it get pinned on a bunch of forums or something?

    http://imdeity.com/wiki/rules/

    Found it!
     
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    This. This whole thread and everyone involved. This will be the reason for my leaving. I sat here and thought for a long time, thinking "Well I've been demoted. So what? It's time to move on and have a good time." But no. This thread did it. As much as I agree with a select few, no one wins this argument. No one. You can disagree with me, but it proves my point. I've pretty much just had it, and I'm fed up. This is what you did to the community, all of you as a whole. I bet there hasn't been a single individual who sat back and thought "Hey, maybe you're right. Maybe I need to do/fix this instead." It's depressing. Everyone notices the negative and none of the positives. No one is appreciated or heard. Ideas and thoughts are shut down and polluted with others. If you can't agree with the other side or come to a consensus, then you have lost together. It's a shame. Bash me if you will, since I probably caused half the problems on the server. I take the full blame for actions I don't even remember doing. Sometimes I forget the wrongdoings I have done in the past and say things I don't mean or will regret. That's my fault, and it's why I keep my mouth shut. This is for the best, and I don't want to say another word. If anyone wants to contact me or say anything horrible, my inbox is always open on the forums, as I'll still be hanging around for a bit. Stay free.
     
  19. smcallah

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    Until I see current staff members acting in a way that would have a non-staff player banned, I cannot comment on that specifically.
     
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    I think a lot of players will be holding you to that.
     
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