I'm sick of stuff.

Although I have not much been ignored in game, I have been almost looked down upon by the staff, and for a few others, that just don't have what it takes to be mod (only one at the time). However, people that I talk to, such as Gwen and Versh (whenever he's available) have been very useful. With that being said, though, and without bashing; I haven't seen a good, active staff (including the admins) since 2 years ago. The staff basically consisted of two people; Deity and Vv. They were both very active at that time. Then came moderator sock, or prwraith, I'm not sure which came first. Past that, the names don't matter to me. Because ImDeity in my eyes lessened.

The once polished gem, set aside my little kid fantasies of becoming mod, or assistant of my town, or stupid things like that, had now become tarnished and scratched. If I were able to locate the problem that would solve it all, I'd tell the mods and admins. But when I do find a problem, it's instantly "No, that's not the case". And it all seems fine and convincing, but why do we feel that way? Clearly it's not all happy and dandy in the people's eyes, but you guys sure do make it seem that way when we ask what is going on. That's just my experience, though. It seems like the staff make more excuses than they do brainstorm solutions.

Undoubtedly, some of the things I ask I have been uninformed or misinformed on. I am not talking about those cases. Know you're not doing everything right, and don't say you know you're not, do something about it. When I say the server is getting worse and worse, don't say it's fine, and to stop bashing the server, ask why! And in the cases you do ask why, stop trying to disprove those beliefs. Because CLEARLY what you say is not the case if someone questions it.

I don't mean to be bashful. This is the only MC server I'd play on. Thanks.

 

I guess my point is that Gravis is insignificant enough that a TS channel wouldn't do
much good for my goal of joining the community. But, regardless, I guess the overall point I'm trying to make is that TS is very important to being an important part of the community, perhaps too important, and I recognize that it's my own shyness and unwillingness to put myself out there that causes this. I have plans to get closer with the ImDeity community, trust me.

 

I suppose I'll toss my 2 cents in here....

Personal opinion, as stated in a thread I made before that was argued heavily against by staff members, is that there is a disconnect between the players and the staff. I had suggested that the players get to elect someone to represent them, which was shot down fast with the comment that the staff represent the players. This is a fallacy, the staff represent their individual agendas, though those agendas do sometimes mesh with the players agendas, there are various cases where they do not. Staff is more or less a popularity contest amongst the other staff members right now. Staff votes for staff, which again means that the players (those people that the staff moderate and who are the vast majority on the server) have no real say in who they think would be best to represent them. I am not saying that the staff should be picked entirely by players; however, it would be nice if the players at least were allowed some input or even the ability to vote for a player to become a mod (someone they feel would represent them). I know for a fact there were a lot of players disappointed with at least 1 choice of mod from the last batch (and by disappointed I mean rather upset). So I suppose what should be considered when the staff does their popularity contest when deciding who the mods are going to be, is how the players will react to those people becoming mods. It could be said that some players back away from the server because of choices made by the staff which contradict what they are used to and expect.

P.S. A good example of this is the current rumor that GCs are being moved to the creative world and that all current GC submissions will not count. That rumor, if true, will be what causes me to leave the server for good. I didn't spend 100k+ on my great construction so that someone else can build it for free and get credit, while I do not. Furthermore a move like that makes the GCs laughable as there would be no real effort. What took me a month to create on main, would take me a day on creative (if that). Also by moving them there, you take away from the epic builds that those players create, as they will no longer be on display in main.... see... player input helps, instead of backroom shadiness

 

Okay, I tried to refrain from posting for awhile but I just felt that I needed to add my opinion here as well.

I understand how some people lose interest and get bored or whatever with the server. However, it is not the staff's job to entertain players. Players are expected to make their own fun really, and the staff make sure the players don't get carried away with their fun along with the misbehaving of players in general. I don't think it's fair to blame the staff, I know there are many staff who always have open arms to hear from regular players, even if they cannot reply as quickly as you'd like. I don't agree that the staff members have 'their individual agendas'. There are examples of staff members looking for player input all over the forums and staff members are approachable in so many ways on this server(TeamSpeak, in-game, forums and other methods of contact). Player input definitely plays a role on this server to some degree. Also, if staff was chosen by the regular player population it wouldn't exactly relieve the 'popularity contest' if that actually even exists right now. There will always be some bias in some way or form, it's impossible to get rid of that 100%, and personally i'd rather have staff chosen by people who are in the position of being a staff member. I don't think it's fair for regular players to sit and judge the moderators and then lose interest in the server based on who is chosen for staff. This is not what the server is about and I find that to be a bit of a drastic measure if it is indeed true.

Threads like this can be great for adding your input, but when they are not followed with suggestions it can be wearing to constantly see these negative threads/opinions and not so many positive threads. Rmar, the best way for you to feel not so left out is to get around and talk to people more. Additionally, don't take it personally if people don't reply or miss something you've said, this happens so often and for the most part I really don't think it's intentional. Sometimes venturing around various TeamSpeak channels and talking to a variety of people is a great way to expand your 'friendships' and it can only help the community. Personally, I find myself in various kingdom channels and town channels almost everyday, it's a good way to kind of break the whole 'clique' thing and that is really something that can only be controlled by us, the players and people as a whole on the server and also in TeamSpeak. But I think 'cliques' are unavoidable for the most part, and really it's best just to kind of not look at it like that and rather just as a group of people who are probably not much different than you.

I have to cut this short, but I hope things get better for you Rmar.

 

I know that this doesnt really have anything to do with this thread, but I feel that this thread is about server stuff so i figured i would add to this. Sweet maple said above that most of the mods are older and more mature and have kids and all. Well If most of you are older and more mature, then why dont you listen to other moderators? One moderator says one thing and then another says something different, it makes no sense. I mean yes you are all entitled to your own opinion, but sometimes, it gets a bt rediculous..... If some of you have kids, i bet you listen to them when they try and tell you something, right? If you do then why dont you listen to other kids, like me. I am a kid, that lives and breathes and loves minecraft. If you listen to your kids, then why not listen to us. We are all human and we all have feelings, we are not just some robot out there to make everyones like terrible, which kind of sems like what the mods are at the moment. They dont listen and dont take peoples feelings into account. Think, if your child got banned, and i know that this hasnothing to do with with this thread but it is time everyone knows what I and many of my friends are feeling. If your child, Smc, was doing something against the rules, what would you do? I highly doubt that you would treat them the same way that you treat the bannies. You would say " Oh its ok just dont do it again." or something like that. You would not ban them like you would to any other player. I know that you wouldnt, You would have "simpathy" for them and not do much about the situation. My point here is that you have to treat everyone, no matter what their server realtions, equally and not give certain people special perks because they are relatives or "great" friends with a mod. You have to listen to everyones story and not just "change the rules when you want". Because if you could change the rules whenever you want, then you can potentially " Warp the rules around any given player.

 

I wonder if threads like these really further anything for the server, or to show that everyone argues about everything. This just makes me cringe that these threads just spawn a bunch of nonsense and need to be addressed too many times in so many different ways that it's extremely pointless. The only solution is for neither of the parties to complain, because neither of them win if they do. But what do I know? Most likely absolutely nothing, so I'm going no farther. There's no peace and there's no solution. Unless you all can actually come to a conclusion, be prepared for things like this until the end. I'm almost glad I can finally take a break from these shenanigans. I was upset, but now, after reading yet another thread like this, I'm just losing respect. It's been a pleasure.

 

Of course the server doesn't want people to leave... But if your bored, I am sure they wouldn't really care. You are not much of a veteran... I have seen people leave here with almost 2 years on this server leave without a second thought about them. Its a game, meh. Don't have so much of a ego that when you type in "Hi" in chat, and no one responds to you that you go and make a thread like this. That's just childish imo. People are busy. Working on projects, talking to friends, just being afk. No one is that nice to respond to everyone that says hi. Deal with it. When we had 100+ players on almost all the time, type in chat "hi" and you'll see that barely anyone cares... Its not that big of a deal honestly.

 

I'm getting tired of these threads....

First of all, let me make a point to everyone here. According to Rmarmortstein's Minecraftforums account:

This is just one out of the ten sections. And you have only been moderator for only one section for a little over 3 months. I don't want to hear bragging from you about being a moderator. I'm sorry if that comes out harsh, but there are people with more experience being moderator, and that includes me (even if i didn't do much).

Now on to the rest of my rant. All this talk about people being not online is crap. Out of the five newest moderators, at least one of them is married. The rest either work or school. Most of the moderators here are teenagers. Mature teenagers. And that maturity includes being able to take a break from a game and doing other things with their life. So excuse them if you think there purpose in life is to be a moderator on a server and they aren't doing it right.

Most importantly, if you are so tired of stuff going on, why are you still here? It does no one any benefit for you to sit here and complain about stuff that doesn't need to be complained about. All you have ever done, this includes bug fixing too, is complain. You have not once in this thread offered a solution to fix anything. And in my opinion, everything is fine. Instead, if you think things need fixing, go to the suggestion forum and go down the list of things you don't like and make friendly suggestions to fix them.

However, if this was just a rant because you hate how the server is now, go ahead, be my guest, leave.

P.S. Not sure I consider you a veteran... Maybe if you earn the 'School of Hard Knocks' trophy.

 

I myself try to mingle with alot of people on the server, and it does kind of concern me when no one says "Hi" back to me. I usually have those days on the server where lots of people like you and you converse with them alot and you start to think that you are finally making a place on the server but then the next day you come on, no one is talking to you, so you start to feel a bit unwanted and that everything the other day was just a one time thing. But other then that, this server is really fun and i like it, i can never find another server as good as this, mainly because i already know alot of people and have played on it for a long time, but this server really is great. I also do get looked down on by staff because i dont have alot pf "common sense" i actually do have that i just ask questions because i want to make sure if i was right or not, in my opinion maybe the mods can be a bit nicer. Also when i was talking about something and trying to start a conversation someone (I wont name him/her) said "We dont care", i just wanted to say that cause this kinda goes under the "Server isnt getting nicer" topic we have in this thread.

 

For anyone who is complaining that they don't feel welcomed:
On ImDeity, Teamspeak is probably the most important social aspect of the server (perhaps excluding the forums). Use it and use it consistently, try to immerse yourself in the ImDeity community, and then you will become part of the community. That's what I'm working on. I plan to immerse myself into the community, but then again, I'm pretty shy, so idk if it will work for me. Let's use our own time and energy in an attempt to solve the problem before complaining about it on the forums and blaming the mods and whatnot. Capische?

 

I didn't present any problems because I haven't played much the past two weeks, and because my past problems are spilled milk. Some uncleaned, but no point in bringing it back up.

 

I'm just going to go ahead and type things while i wait for my TV show to load up. Okay, so there has been a fair few of these types of threads lately "The server's dying, i hate the staff, there's so many plugin problems, go fix things, i'm hungry" blahblahblah you get the picture. As some people may know i sort of maybe started the first big fight thing where everyone was just throwing things they didn't like in the open and just causing a bigger problem than we really needed to do. I'm not trying to take the side of the staff and say "Stop being stupid, everything is fine" (Although some people are being considerably stupid in here). While i do agree with some points, i just think everyone should just take a minute. Breath in, aaand out. Better? Okay, good, then keep reading. Like a few of you, i've been here since when the server was tiny, with 10ish players at one time, complete plugins, so on so forth. That was a great time, wasn't it? But as to use a very well known quote from a very nice man named Bob Dylan, "The Times, They are a-Changin". Since then we've grown HUGE, then sunk a bit, then gotten BIG again, and i think right now we're in the mid point of low and high. And that's cool, because you know what's happening? We've got a nice steady stream of players, and right now Deity is doing, well, a Deity's work with plugins. The new stats pages, are just, so good. I seriously love them. Deity has managed to fully integrate the web and in game. Combine that with the new chat page and chat in game, and that's only been in the past week or two?! Seriously, if anyone complains about plugins, i will punch you right in the jaw. Here's controversy: Staff! People are complaining about the staff a lot. Saying either they're bad people, they don't do their job, whatever. God knows i've had my issues with the staff before, but that's all behind me. I've forgiven whoever i had fights with, or disagreements, or whatever. If you have an issue with staff, you've got a few choices. Best choice is to ignore that individual. So what they're there a lot, you don't have to talk to them, no one is forcing you to! If they persist in bugging you somehow (never happened to me, except when smc tried to joke with me that one time, and i took it totally wrong. That was a funny day), you can confront them if you want, but don't be surprised if you're punished. Believe it or not, if you badmouth someone, or get really angry, then the person in particular is likely to not like you, and you might end up worse of. If all else fails, go ahead and make a formal complaint. Don't put it on the forums, just message Deity. You'd better make it good though, because he's pretty busy with all the plugins you're all telling him to make to handle little issues with staff. I know there's some times when you are just sick of some people, and sometimes they happen to be staff, but i've learned it's best to just get over it, because if you don't let on there's anything wrong, they're not going to care either, and everyone can get on with their mining and crafting. I'm sure i had more to say, and i probably will later. As i said, i'm not trying to be the good guy or the bad guy here. It's just simple things guys. Common Sense, yeah?
Also i'm really sorry about having no gaps here, my firefox has managed to screw up a lot, and doesn't do spacing for me. I'll try fix it later.

 

*Whispers* "Fix your firefox, PLEASE "

I think people should not tolerate alot of proverbial bull fecies from staff, if they are really wrong, you should contact Gwen with that, Gwen handles moderator related bussiness as head mod. But ignoring someone who is doing you wrong is wrong. The first thing to do is talk to the moderator about it, not in a way that accuses them, but confront them with the fact they are making you feel uncomfortable.

 

Age does not matter in your maturity, or abilities to do things, as it is often thought. Actually, there is a lot that you simply cannot learn from an about me. I just wanted to throw that in, since even though, i may act immature here, I'm probably the most active moderator in my sections, and, a person can be a lot different from a "messing around" perspective, to a "Staff" perspective

Actually, I think that Deity and SMC make a pretty good team, and it does not seem like it, but they do a lot. I've administrated websites and some different type servers (non-minecraft) and most of the stuff that happens, "users" dont see, since it is all behind the scenes, and making things work and work better. The admins are honestly my last complaint on the server.

I am normally on there at least for a little bit every night.