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Admin Abuse - Collateral Damage

Discussion in 'Kingdoms General' started by Zekrow, May 23, 2012.

  1. Zekrow

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    I know this has been talked about before but I believe a new issue has come up
    concerning enchantments so hear me out.

    As everyone, I was mad at first when the admins started roaming around on the PVP
    with fully enchanted items killing everyone.
    But then a post was created explaining the thought process behind that situation.
    So I was fine with it...

    But now, I believe a new issue has come up. NORMAL players are obtaining
    fully enchanted stuff from the admins by killing them every so often.

    Now I understand that the admins are running around in full enchanted stuff
    in order to learn more about how PVP works and how they can change things
    to make some enchantement less overpowered.

    But I see absolutely NO REASON for NORMAL PLAYERS to have FULLY ENCHANTED
    stuff. They know how PVP work. They can't do anything about how OverPowered
    some enchantments are. They are not part of the development team and having
    fully enchanted armor whilst other players are roaming around with NORMAL ARMOR
    and WEAPONS because enchantment isn't integrated yet is just plain unfair.

    Believe me, I would have no problem with this if we could AT LEAST enchant.
    But it turns out we can't, and now we have even more people running around
    slaying everyone as if they had godmode.

    Admins do it to regulate things in the server for a better gameplay later on.

    Normal players are just running around decimating every faction and stealing
    everyone's stuff. The faction being raided can't do ANYTHING about it....

    So here's what I think:
    1. NO
    2. NO
    and 3. NO

    and here's my suggestion:

    Either:
    1. Enable enchantments now.
    2. Wipe the enchanted items from the Normal players' inventories...

    Feel free to post what you think !!!​
    And thanks for reading.​
     
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  2. Herberts

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    Hi there!
    Yeah Rumo I still <3 you... but...
    My faction including me ran around map like 3 hours to get lot of stuff from trying to raid and actual raiding factions... so at the end we came up to "Ponies" faction and killed some ppl there and also got some stuff from them (diamonds etc.)... but while me and my friend where camping there waiting for other ally, along with him came Rumoshi with Enchanted sword! Lol what it's possible that 1 guy take out 3 guy's in diamond armor. I'm sure Rumo could do it taking us 1 by 1 .. but the fact he killed all 3 of us in like 15 seconds and our 3 hour raiding was gone to waste... isn't acceptable. As Zekrow said it's just unfair.
    I can draw lines between dMeat faction ppl and Moderator friendship, but if enchanted items are supposed to have only mods (to test them out) then it should stay like that!
    As I heard VanZeben died by dropping from cliff and Rumo got the sword like that. And the fact that Van didn't took back the sword show how low is the responsibility of mods here... in this case it's sad, to hear that.
    It have to be one justice for all... without exceptions. Mods have to be strict with their rules even being friends with with individual payers.
    Idk if ImDeity himself know this, but I would ask to look up for the situation, because it can't continue like this. I'm sure ppl will leave the pvp and even server. And ppl are complaining about it as well...
     
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  3. vanZeben

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    This has nothing to do with dmeat and moderator friendship. We announced this in the beginning when someone asked about it, however no one has attempting to raid us other then dmeat, which is when i was killed. Im not sure if the others have been killed however i logged on only to find dmeat infront of me and me without any armour on at all...
    If you get enough courage to attempt to raid admabuse and if you manage to kill an admin you can keep the spoils. Its the same as killing any other player, we are just harder to kill
     
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  4. mbonachea

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    I understand your concern, but keep in mind that this is a "Beta" test meaning that anything done is just for testing. So if they get enchanted armor, too bad! Keep in mind that this is also just a game. Again, I do understand your frustration.

    Note: This is the wrong forum, this should've been posted in "Kingdoms General".
     
  5. Herberts

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    And I taught that the map is already released and thay just need to add enchant and enable tnt...
    Tough wierd then why they reset the map? Maybe I just haven't read the post properly...
     
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    There will be no more resets of the PVP world, said Deity on Monday: "Just to clear up a misconception that seems to be going around - there are NO plans to do another PvP server reset (even after beta period)"
     
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  7. Zekrow

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    I understand but initally you stated that the use of Fully Enchanted Armor and Weapons was for your education on PVP only and to change some things for the server once Beta is over.

    The fact other Non-Admin players are getting these items makes no sense...
     
  8. Leviathan_Ziz

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    I had a discussion with dmeat members about this aswell. The problem is that the enchanted items are in fact un-obtainable for most. Europeans are completely screwed on that part. Your not always online to defend your faction lands van, allowing only certain random people to get your enchanted items. You need atleast a few people to kill an admin, which is also not fair for smaller groups, they just simply can't kill you without suffering more in general, and more loss in person that a larger group.

    The problem here is that the people with your armor are at a HUGE benefit. An unfair benefit, yet legal. I assume that the enchanted diamond has full durability.

    The discussion yesterday was about this spoiling the game, and being so un-sportsmen like that the pvp world is completely unbalanced. And as I see it, it's completely nonsense how unbalanced it is now. I was just walking around yesterday and got one shotted with a blade, while not wearing armor. With diamond it would take 2-4 hits.

    If you want to make it fair, you either:

    A: Need to be online all the time.
    B: Wear normal armor, or only use enchanted diamond with hugely decreased durability.

    As we all know A is not possible, and B would mean everyone gets a fair chance. Because I mean, the enchanted diamond swords last some what... 1562 hits, according to the wiki, taken that enchantmented swords don't run out faster. That is about 250-750 kills. That is ridiculuous.
     
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    Our armour is either insanely enchanted or we dont have any armour on at all, which is the case when i died. And if we are wearing armour, it would survive until we died, to first kill us you would have to destroy our armour making that point moot. As for the whole "smaller groups are at a disadvantage" that is the case in any scenario; The more friends you have, the easier it is to raid factions. As for the enchanted items being unobtainable, that is the case at this current point in time, but it will be released sometime this week as all things we had to do was fixed last week and we are simply waiting. Time again is a moot point, we may be from the americas however i was on most of the weekend and didn't sleep much at all. I was on during euro and aussie and american times for the most part and i dont recall getting challenged at all...

    I understand why people may be complaining, but if you want to gain an advantage as well, get a team and challenge us!
     
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    There should be a disclaimer when joining the pvp server, whiners and kids who expect life handed to them on a fair balanced platter should stay at home with their parents and away from hardcore pvp servers that have a resemblance to real life.

    There are nights when the wolves are silent and only the moon howls. - George Carlin
     
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    Okay very good, but would you not agree, that removing the enchanted items that players currently have is the best thing? Getting those things in the normal way is going to be a huge problem, you need an enchantment table, aswell as lots of bookcases. And how could people have know that they could raid your faction and get that stuff, I mean it's not exactly public knowledge, I didn't know it either untill I heard I read it somewhere.

    + We both know your not on as much in the Euro/Aussie times, and go get some sleep. Barking mad playing all day ;)
     
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    Valdemarian, you are awesome! I really love how you raise your post counts with nonsense in every serious discussion and totally miss the point. And actually most of your posts are whining about stuff that you do not get. Perhaps you should think about what you do wrong rather than attacking anyone else.
     
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    i would take away their enchanted stuff and replace it with normal stuff, just saying...
    so they still don't take a big loss
     
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    I have not made a single whine about the pvp server, it's ruthless, lawless and beautiful.
    Only thing i would ask for is tnt to be enabled.
    Reset my post count for all it matters to me, i'm not the one posting just to post in order to reach a publicly announed post count goal while pushing a borderline psychotic war on spam.
    Thank you for the "awesome" i appreciate the love <3, you ma'am are pretty awesome yourself as well.
     
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    I never said you were whining in PVP, that is actually true that you do not whine there. And I would not reset your post count (and I know you would care). I would just really like to go through the forums and delete everything whiny, attacking and nonsense of you and all of a sudden it would all be like a total reset. But if we really have to discuss that I would suggest taking that to a convo. And if you are not satisfied with the work a moderator does, I recommend you taking it to Deity. Your offensive language and attacks in public do not help at all. And your medical/psychological skills can be clearly proven wrong, so step back from that (I hope that is not your profession).
     
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    I don't mind people running around with enchanted stuff, as long as there will be another reset. Honestly, the testing is perfect and all good, but there are significant problems.

    My faction (Venice) spends the vast majority of its time building an excellent base filled with traps and secrets, with only a small branch doing any of the raiding. As a result, the most well known raiding faction (dMeat) has kind of labelled us their enemy (along with every other faction on the server :p). Now, if Venice had the number of people dedicated to PvP like dMeat does, things might be a bit different, but when our base gets built up, people like attacking for the challenge it presents. It isn't impossible to get in, but it is extremely difficult.

    So we play a specific role in the PvP server. It's no fun to raid bases if there are no bases to raid. Some factions who are solely PvP factions tend to hide their loot in a faraway place and then move out from spawn in groups finding people to kill. Others provide the excitement of the siege warfare. However, when the hardcore raiding group manages to get hold of enchanted weapon and armor, you bet none of us will go out there and fight them. Heck, I'm only going out there with no armor and a stone sword, because I'd be practically giving them my diamond otherwise. Having fun? I'm sure they are.

    Besides, TnT and enchanting haven't been enabled yet. I'm sure the admins understand how they work and a few players will, but some people will probably need a learning curve, as they might not have ever had access to any of it before. And there are certain techniques that go with making TnT work, and people will have to spend time harvesting levels for enchanting.

    Once again, I don't mind all the testing, I encourage it. But with no map reset, the message that a lot of normal players get is, "Oh, we don't really care one way or the other how even the playing field is. Have fun!" The next thing you know, the PvP server is a flop. Now, I understand that after the PvP server has been running for a while, things will be uneven on its own. Many small and weak factions will die off and fewer stronger factions will survive, all trying to do as much damage as possible to each other. But that point will take a while to reach... A long while.

    So, once everything is enabled and everything is "finished," I think a map reset is necessary. Because once everything is "finished" one more map reset sends a message to the players, "we're done, have fun." In my opinion, no map reset just says "Yeah, we finished. Do whatever, go play." An announcement was made that on this latest reset, things were still in Beta, so most people assume that there will be another reset when it leaves Beta. Plus, shop prices have been going up and down in the PvP server, a bunch of people bought diamonds right away when they were about 18 Dei. From what I've been noticing, diamonds now cost anywhere between 40.99 and 49.99 Dei. So unless we are having a dynamic economy , this makes little sense to me.

    And besides, I trust that the Admins are putting in their best effort for the PvP server. When it is finished, maybe thirty more minutes to reset the map, copy the spawn area in (this time hopefully at x: 0, z: 0) and if the shop signs don't go over with the copy/paste, putting in the shop signs. The signs not transferring over would be the bulk of that thirty minute time frame I gave. And for people who play Beta in other games, you may get a small added perk for playing in Beta, but you don't get "the max level" just because you reached it in the Beta. For the most part, you still start on the same level playing field as everyone else.
     
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    If you think the Pvp world is unfair, just don't play it. If the majority of players would agree on doing the same, Van will probably re-think about balancing the server.

    No one is forcing you on keep playing in Pvp. Now that the whining on the forums didn't convince the staff, you can convince them by not playing.
     
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    No offence thunder.
    But I REALLY don't want another map reset.

    There's already been one that really annoyed me.
    I spent 5 full days. FULL DAYS building my base. No more resets.... Please....
    There's not need for another reset.
     
  19. Leviathan_Ziz

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    Instead of making these passive-agressive indirect accusations, please complain about whatever you feel. Instead of indirectly insulting me, please conversate with me, not as the last time when you indirectly insulted me in a trolly way, leaving. Once again showing that all you care about is your own ego, your inability to accept other people's views, your rudeness and most of all your inability to conversate to in a proper way.
     
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    None taken, but my faction spends that much time plus some to build. We build all the time and there is always more to build and do. But, as I have said, I believe that there are reasons for another reset.
     

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