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Wouldn't the "old" imdeity.com be awesome?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by saleska, April 10, 2013.

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  1. saleska

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    I have been reading/talking to staff and found out alot of stuff, nothing to see here anymore
     
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    You still pay for all that with dei, you get dei by selling gold now rather than cakes, and we still have great admins and staff.

    So nothing suggested is different than what is already done.
     
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    i was never a big fan of the cake selling, most towns had farms with all the supplies, and you were able to buy the eggs and milk from the shop. Easy profit for no work.

    We have 5 times more quests than before, that is a nice new change.

    And yes, we have lost some great staff, but we also got new moderators that are awesome.
     
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    I understand there definently are some who didnt like the cake selling, in my opinion it should just be optional and of course not be unlimited of cake selling but a limit as i have written, as well as since they removed the cake selling and some other stuff so much people left the server
    first it were like 100-150 people per day
    now its like 20-30
    i would love to play on this server, but changes are needed
     
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    I prefer having only 20-30 people a day online instead of having noobs online who ruin the economy. If it is really about money for them they should just immediately leave the server. The server should be about the community, and the economy factor shouldn't 'rule' it.

    I remember the cake-selling days. It was fun at first, but it only ruined the economy. People could easily gain 300-350 dei a day by voting and selling cakes. Not is is still 200 dei a day, which is quite a lot in my opinion, 200 dei from the voting. Even if there was a limit on cake selling, I wish it would never return.

    I know that we could use some more popularity and people online, but that shouldn't ruin our economy.
     
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    You literally spent 31 minutes on the server earlier today having not been on in probably close to a year.

    How could you possibly be able to compare the server of today to the server of then having spent 31 minutes on?

    It's especially apparent you don't have a clue as one of the first things you say is that we don't use dei to buy things and how we should have people earning money with cakes. You have no idea how people earn money on the server, yet you go off on a huge opinion about it?

    Why don't you try actually playing on the server for some time before you compare it to the "old" server? Instead of joining for a few minutes and asking if you can talk to ImDeity.
     
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    Very true and the server on the weekends gets 90-ish people....
     
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    Hrm, there are a couple things that should be added to this;

    1/
    Many extremely active people no longer play because they have been banned (Anvil issue, Valdemarian issue and many more) [Staff handled it the only way possible by permabanning them to show an example, but this comes at the great price of having less active players ~unless new ones come along~]
    This leads to less people on (since many of the permabanned people also had irl friends that left the server)

    In terms of this, it comes down to Quality over quantity. Their actions, their fault. Nothing else the server staff can do about this. (Although some specific cases can be debated)

    2/
    ImDeity does not necessarily fulfill 100% of player's current desires.
    Other servers present other things, like more extensive pvp maps or different 'social' pursuits. During the prime of the server, we were one of the greatest "city-based" server. Now even this can be debated.

    3/
    Lack of publicity = lack of players.
    when you google 'Minecraft servers' (like most new players would) you end up with this
    http://minecraftservers.org/This is perhaps the most checked Minecraft Server list out there (due to it being the 1st link on google). On here, we are not only not on the first page (we all know how little attention the second page gets compared to the 1st) but we are not even anywhere close to the top 15 servers (currently ranked 2208....)
    This means that the odds of someone finding us on this list are next to nil.

    *nudge* Maybe its time to pay for a 'sponsored servers' thing on that site *nudge*

    4/
    Lack of current players = lack of new players
    As we all know, players tend to like populated servers. Server growth is somewhat exponential. Some servers have hundreds/thousands of players active and that makes them very desirable.
    Online search lists showing us with 20~ players generally tends to make us look like a non-professional group.
    Some other servers, such as my University server, feature more players although we have next to nothing in terms of plugins or staff work (its actually just like a vanilla world)
    However, to players searching the list, a barren server like that would probably still seem more appealing then Imdeity (unless they do some research).

    5/
    Cake economy was meh because while it prompted players to log in once a day, it also had an economical backlash. Players who did barely anything would end up earning almost as much as players who spend their entire day mining and such. (Though to be honest i kind of liked it since it gave some sort of a purpose to the server).



    The biggest point of all?
    Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets. Resets.


    RESETS!

    Although they are needed, they completely crush the entire point of ImDeity. It's the greatest flaw of the server in my opinion, and the reason that many of us "used to be extremely active players" have quit or barely ever log on anymore. We just had a discussion about this with a couple of friends, and the point that was made by some seemed pretty clear: There sadly is no point to building on ImDeity due to resets.
    To be honest, I kind of liked remaking the "New Buena Vista" and stuff like that, but doing that yet again? No thanks.
    I'm sure many players have been playing for a long time, and have gone through a lot of resets, but this ridiculous for some players.
    We spend months building something that will never serve any purpose (that's generally minecraft as a whole) but on top of that, it will get deleted....
    It's like playing a game with no save option. "Go ahead play it all you want, but every now and then when you shut it down, you have to start it up fresh from the start"
    Why are resets so bad for us on ImDeity? Because everything is made around the basis of creating a town and a community.
    We're not a PvP server, where the world gets reset but you keep your stats and money (we actually don't even keep stats or money generally, that's a nice other point....)
    We're not a 'minigame' server based around people logging on to have fun with friends for 2hrs and never come back.
    We're not a PvE based server where staff spawns thousands of mobs and make it really hard to survive.

    We're a server that is based upon the idea of construction (and therefore sadly destruction). We're a server where it is hard to keep going after a certain point, knowing that everything you do it basically pointless.
    Sure meeting people and having fun with basic pvp arena's is certainly fun, but its not what a long lasting game is all about.



    Disclaimer:

    To all people who will probably be hating by now, note that I still like the server and still donate to Deity.
    We have to accept the issues that are plaguing the server, and solve them in my opinion. Sure the server is fine as it is, but it seems like quite a problem when staff-members have donated so much time and effort for so few people to benefit.
     
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    I'm just going to cover one point of this post. The resets. We reset the map/server less than about 90% of the other servers out there, so has no room in this discussion for me.
     
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    I'm not sure that the amount of time between each reset is exactly relevant though :)
    It is the actually fact of resetting that is important, I cannot blame Deity for doing them, since they are necessary (as I stated) but it probably is the most valid reason as to why we are losing so many players.

    Resets (loss of players) + Few new players = Dwindling population :)
     
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    A reset that happened 6 months ago and a reset that happened 10 months before that is no reason we would be losing players today.
     
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    I know I used to love ImDeity. Used to go on it 3+ hours a day. Met some friends, got in a town. Then when I donated i thought it would be so much better. It wasn't. The first thing that happened was the reset. It caused so much lag for some reason and then I got back on. Poof, there was nobody there. I actually missed the noobs that would say "Hi notch" I know i haven't been playing for long but I remember when there would be 100 people on. It was fun. Not so much anymore. It seems like when I go on Imdeity it is kinda like, What should i do? Then I think. And Think. And think. I go to the wild, I get griefed. I go to the mine, reset. Two of the most frustrating things to me is that people barely ever get banned in the wild when they greif and that I spend tons of money for aspawner and 2 days later there is a reset. I not trying to server bash, I love this server, truely. I am just stating my opinons.
     
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    By old imdeity he means over a year. And by server reset he means the 8-12 MONTH reset not the daily one. And quite honestly you don't have much point posting here as it is beyond your time. I don't really either as I haven't even hit my one year. I understand your points but this isn't the right place for it, also, in actually response to you but both of your things that were "two of the most frustrating things" are both discouraged by admins mods and a large player population. You are supposed to live/build in a town no the wild and as made perfectly clear by smc no spawners should be in the game. While I agree the server does need some revival I don't think your opinions are relevant.
     
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    Just want to point out that one of pierzynski's "most frustrating things" he hasn't even been on the server long enough to be through a reset.
     
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    Unless I miss read his most frustrating things were getting griefed and /mine reset. Not a full reset. I mean, correct me if I am wrong but...
     
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    That's exactly what I'm talking about. The resets that are being talked about in this thread are Full resets, not mining resets as pierz seems to think.
     
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    I have never actually experienced a reset.. But, I found this server on youtube. And the person I saw it from talked about Galaxy and other towns most haven't heard of.... So to me a restet is when everything is deleted and there is new everything... New Kingdoms and Towns EVERYTHING and honestly that sucks. Anything you worked on GONE All of it... That is destructive and doesn't make anyone happy.. If there is anyway to stop resets it needs to happen, because a reset undoes all good and drives people away from the server.. But, the rest of the server is good to me... :D
     
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    It's already been covered but I'll say it again. Our resets are at least 8 months or further apart. Most other servers reset 2 to 4 times in a years time. ImDeity resets when he has to, not because he wants to be "destructive" or mean to the players.

    You think the reset of the server is destructive? How about you play on a server that never resets and see what real destruction is.
     
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    We try everything we can to avoid a reset for as long as possible. You think it's hard on the players, well it is a pain in the butt for the admins too. Having to reset everything that we haven't had to touch in months. Making sure everything is working as it should so people don't complain. It's no cake walk, or we'd do it more often. :)

    We did the last reset because people were massively duping items and destroying the economy. We could have wiped out everyone's money and maybe items instead of resetting. But people would be just as mad.

    And really, many people appreciate a reset once in a while. It gives bored people something to do.

    We do not reset our map as much as other major servers do. Some servers reset everytime there is a Minecraft update. Many have to reset because they don't have a separate mining world. We made the separate mining world a long time ago to prolong the reset of our 2 year ago world. If we didn't have that mining world, there would be no new ores in the main world for people to mine eventually. So what would we do except reset the world at that point?
     
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