ImDeity Mod idea (Read Disclaimer)

DISCLAIMER
There isn't a need for a disclaimer anymore, continue reading

UPDATE 1/9/13: Permission for accessing data has been GRANTED. Development shall continue!

The Idea
The idea is that players on ImDeity: Kingdoms can use the mod for ease of use. It probably won't add any features, like blocks and such, but rather display something in your HUD.

Please note that any involvement by ImDeity would be giving me access to some things. He will not be the one coding it, I will. This isn't an average post where I'm asking for features, no. I'm asking you for features. Most of the mod's functionality would come from integration with Kingdoms, so hopefully ImDeity will let me I feel he may trust me enough after how long I have been here (on the left; ~ 2 years I will make a long sappy post at the end of the month), and since if he does give me the requested perms there's not really anyway I can harm anything xD

Features
These are features that I thought of from the top of my head (some I just recently added from the list I gave Deity)

• Shows up when tab is pressed? [as suggested by eltono999] Different key binding may be used
• Connection speed of the server Not really needed
• How many players are online (maybe, can always use /who) Unnecessary
• Which websites you can vote from (to get diamonds or dei) Probably not
• Rank on Minestatus Unnecessary
• Icon/Notification for when you can sell your gold Probably not unless some functionality to test that is provided by ImDeity
• Notifications for when someone you follow posts a status update probably not
• Town you are currently in location-wisetoo resource intensive (for a client mod)
• Who owns the plot you are in [suggestion by mbonachea] too resource intensive (for a client mod)
• How much gold you have in your Vault
• Which friends (server, not people you follow) are online
• Town/Kingdom members online maybe with helmets next to them? [as suggested by cliff777]
• How much dei you have [suggestion by mbonachea]
• Which mods are online? (I'm not sure about this...)- Changed to red because I need permission to look at a table holding online people
• Notification for when your friends log in. The names would be colored depending on their relationship to you and/or the server. Mods (whether they are in your town or not) will be colored blueish and Admins redish Kingdom Staff (unless he/she is your mayor) will be colored orangish. Town staff will be colored a lighter blue, and normal friends that don't have any particular role in society other than being your friend will be purple. Most likely won't be live (meaning as soon as they join you get a notification) but will be somewhat. Maybe a check will be run every few seconds, instead of like every tick or something (which would be crazy, even for me)
• Notification/hud icon for when the next butcher will come [SaintThunder]
• Notifcation/hud icon for when you can use your /kit [SaintThunder]

Things in green are things that the Minecraft client can do already, and are therefore possible.
Things in orange may or may not require some permission from ImDeity.
Things in red would require some sort of permission from ImDeity.
Things in pink are things that I'm pretty sure are possible, but not sure how do.
Things underlined and in any color will most likely be added

Permission status for things in red: GRANTED, not the way I expected, but still nonetheless

Want to Suggest a Feature?
Just post a reply here with your idea. Please keep in mind that just because you replied doesn't mean it will be looked at or added to the list above. Here are some general guidelines:

• It must make sense
• If has already been suggested, it's probably best not to suggest it again
• It cannot be something that damages the server. I'm only asking Deity for at least read-only access, meaning that I can't tell the server/website to do anything

Reply respectfully,​

- Taco​

 

What, so maybe when you hold tab, around the list of players, this information shows up? That would actually be pretty cool.

 

Possibly

 

I'm sure that this idea would be great. Some large servers have their own optional mod and such, or even a texture pack.

The first question to this is, why do we need this?
It's basically a HUD for users that are too lazy to type /res info, or go on the forums to check their portal. If they're too lazy, I wouldn't bet that they would go and install this mod. Unless the modder could make it compatible with some easy mod-loading system like ModLoader or Forge, or even Magic Launcher, mods are pretty hard to install in my 14 year old head of mine. Unless it's a bukkit plugin, that would...well, I don't know much about them.

Next, do the "Pros" weight out the "Cons"?
We see the good parts to this. Easy way to keep track of things, ways to do things that might take a bit more work to work out. Like what I said above, I don't see the necessity of this mod. I'm sure it will make it easier on some, but will it be harder, or even a waste of time?

There's also bad parts. From what I hear, our "coders" are pretty hard at work managing our already complicated server. I guess some of the features are not incredibly hard to code, but will it take a chunk of time out of what could be used to fix a few glitches or bugs. I'm sure some of the community out there can code these in a mod, but the server is not completely open-source. How will the modder make sure it is compatible with the server? Then there's the problem of it being a mod. Someone still has to install the mod, dropping it into their minecraft.jar with WinRar or something. The Mod API Mojang promised isn't here yet, so that won't solve the problem either. I just think that most of the features the mod has, you can find them with a minute or so of searching. It could be helpful, but to what extent?

What do I think?
Overall, I think it might be a mod that would come through, but I still think it isn't needed that much. I'm not knowledgeable in coding, or any of that, but that is all my opinion. It's not that I don't like the mod, it's just that I think the Cons weigh the Pros out. Guess I'm also playing the devil's advocate here too ;P

-Aqua

 

Well, there are some things you can't necessarily find out unless you try, for instance selling gold or voting. If you try those and need to wait, it will let you know, but unless you have a schedule or keep track of when you voted, you don't necessarily know when you can.

To be truthful, our "coders" are vanZeben, ImDeity, and vvenaya. We have many more mods to handle events, griefing, stealing etc. But whereas coding is so much more complicated, the server actually needs coders (hint hint Deity). The only common thing between the developmental department and the other departments is typing (of commands). But as for the coders you speak of, vv left long ago, and just recently van. So technically the development team is basically just ImDeity. The other thing is, this is to be managed and coded by me, if I wasn't to clear. Plus, I don't really plan to use the Mod API, maybe not yet. It is extremely overdue and I planned to use ModLoader anyway. As with the installing it, if it's so hard why do it? Why would we get rid of mods just because some people may not know how to download/install? The advantage of ModLoader is minimal (if not none at all) modification of original Minecraft code.

Remember that for now it is just idea, and ideas can fester and become powerful. I made the post not just for public awareness but for advice as well, from which I helpful from your insight, it may help clear things up.


I didn't mention Deity's involvement because he and I are working together, no. His only part would be granting me the necessary permissions I would need to access data, from which I've stated that said permissions can prevent me from modifying this data in any way. Some of the features mentioned above are as easy as typing a command. But in a society where people are constantly getting lazier I decided to contribute Heck, I bet some people even macros for some common commands such as /res info. The advantage of having all the information on one screen is that you don't have spend time finding out all of the information when all you need to do is glance at your screen or tap a button for 2 seconds.

However, thanks for replying

- Taco​

 

This sounds like a great idea for a mod. I think it would be a great idea to have a list of online staff. If someone needs to talk to a mod, BAM! Sometimes people (like me), are curious if any staff members are online, and who. And I doubt the list of moderators and admins would need permission from deity, you possibly? could run the /who command, receive the input and find moderator's name in the feedback and sort through them.

The only feature I would change/remove is the towns you are in. Can't you only be in one town? Another option/use could be that you could have a list of online town members, with iron/diamond helmets next to the names if they are assistants or mayors (like in TS).

Sounds like a great idea Taco

And if you'd like any help, just hit me up

 

Well, I would probably need a list, from which I think there be one in his databases somewhere, unless I hardcode in all the names....

I meant locationwise lol, but the town/kingdom/helmet thing is a good idea, I'll add that to the list..

 

Maybe a status of how much dei you have. Also, a indicator of whether the region you are in is protected and by whom (kinda like the town thing but shows the wilderness status and the owner of a plot).

Cool idea.

 

Ah ne me gusta!

 

These can be run by commands, and the owner pops up in chat when walking, but hey..

Added.

 

Let me add some justification
- Even though some things can be found out by command, it will be convent for it to be on a HUD. Everything on there can be found out, but this is all about convience. Well, at least to me!
- The plot owner thing is super buggy, at least for me. It would be really cool and very helpful tk have that.

 

Alright.

 

Just a problem with the tab thing. Sorry if i read this wrong (its late lol) but would each of those things on your list be next to each players name when you press tab? If so that's a lot of writing on one tiny little tab...

 

First of all, thanks for replying to me with a well thought-out post. It's not always that you get one these days xD

Now that you've answered most of my questions, I can finally see clearer about what you are talking about.

The one thing that was really bothering me before was for ImDeity to work on it. I didn't realize you were the one making this, so I naturally assumed it was a suggestion for Deity, which probably wouldn't work out. It's amazing how differently the community responds to different people and posts. I'm thinking of those so called "noob" posts of someone suggesting putting vampires, or guns, or vampires with guns into the server. They usually get quite a lot of hate such as "WHY U SUGGEST THAT? DEITY ALREADY BUSY ALOT!" exaggerating of course. But since its clear to me now that you're up for a well thought out challenge, and not something to push to Deity's desk, I salute you and wish the best of luck.

Another thing to add is, this is definitely more geared towards the more hardcore, town managing, server managing, player. A simple player wouldn't really need this mod, as just working on a plot or even as an assistant of town, you don't need all of these features. Sure, it'll make things easier, but you have the remember that the majority of the players that come on the server are ones that might stay a bit to stay in a town, but mostly just to hang around and mine a few diamonds and kill a few creepers in a dirt shack. A seasoned, maybe even not active, more of a veteran player could really find use to this. Like you don't see much other than true "regulars" responding to this thread. I can find a use for this, but will everyone? How about majority?

Sometimes the veteran players like to picture what the newer players would like, but it doesn't always work out. Say, maybe those newer members seeking help can find all the staff on the server with an easy look at the HUD. But, why would they do that? I've been in the dark, noobish for some time on the server. I didn't even use any kind of mod until like 6 months in from when I started. If it was me back in my derpy days, my reaction would be to find help on the /help channel, presuming I knew that much. I wouldn't go "Hey! Vershye is on! Let me go 1 on 1 and ask him about how to place water!" Still a bit exaggerating, but you kinda get the message.

I want this mod to work out, for it to work for everyone, to be a staple of ImDeity Kingdoms. It's not easy, but if you have the guts and brains to do it, it will be amazing. Hopefully my thoughts on the problems I see will only make this better

EDIT: Something happened and it made me post before I wrote the whole thing and posted again, so I deleted the first (double posted thingy) one. (Sorry Ngen!) It's the same thing, but I didn't complete it yet before it posted. Now it is!

 

It's cool lord

 

I'm thinking of using a different key binding instead of tab. However it was, it would be under the players' names.

 

Understandable, but it's not like I want everyone on the server to use it. It's more like, "if you want something that can potentially help you, then here." You know? I actually see know that some features may be helpful even for a noob, such as which town/kingdom staff is online as cliff suggested.

 

Would love something like this.

 

Don't think Deity would say no to the "Online staff finder", you can generally see them with /who
(And if they are "invisible" or what not they would probably not show up on your UI?)
Either way, it would be a great tool to instantly resolve issues before they get out of hand.
- > Press (key) -> see what staff member is on instantly -> /tell -> solved.
Due to the fact that it would be a mod, it would probably only be used by more experienced/older players in my opinion, but this is still an amazing tool if you can make it work.